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View Poll Results: AMG vs M vs RS
AMG 493 30.45%
M 759 46.88%
RS 367 22.67%
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Old 22-02-12, 13:02   #2476
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Eu am prieten care are bani sa-si ia mai multe M-uri si cu toate astea asteapta motorizareaa asta pe X5/X6 pentru impozit si consum. Nu este zgarcit, dar considera ca economia este substantiala fata de diferentele de consum+impozite mai ales ca o foloseste ca masina de zi cu zi si nu este vre-un supercar.

Diferenta de pret exista la achizitie, dar este foarte mare si la revanzare + ca benzinarele mari sh se si devalorizeaza mult mai mult si s-au vandut si se vand foarte greu.
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Old 22-02-12, 14:00   #2477
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daca ne uitam pe raportul APIA, cei 3 producatori premium sunt pe locurile 5-7-10 ca numar total de autoturisme diesel noi comercializate, insa ca procent din totalul autoturismelor vandute de catre ei, sunt pe locurile 1-2-3 in romania.
Bmw -94.1% din totalul comercializat este diesel
mercedes-84.1%
audi-77.8%

asta poate duce la concluzia ca romanii :
1. cred ca premium suprem inseamna diesel
2. romanii de fapt nu-si permit sa cumpere un autoturism premium daca ulterior costul cu combustibilul este o povara(sau e de luat in calcul) iar daca se gandesc si la revanzare atunci chiar astfel de masini nu-s de nasul lor.

nu poti investi acum 7000 euro in plus pt ca peste 5 ani maxim sa-i recuperezi si sa mai recuperezi alte 5000 din faptul ca dieselul se vinde mai scump.
practic daca acum un 550xi costa 73.000 iar 550xd costa 80.000 mi-e greu sa cred ca daca peste 5 ani si 150.000km vinzi 550xi cu 30.000 euro, pe 550xd iei 42.000 euro.

un personaj ce plateste leasing la un 550xd in vest, de regula are un venit propriu de minim 20.000 euro net lunar si se bucura de masina fara menajamente. probabil in romania cine castiga de unul singur 7000 euro net pe luna, ia in calcul un 550xd si apoi isi pune problema costului combustibilului.

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Old 22-02-12, 15:01   #2478
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hai sa gandim si logic si nu romaneste, pai intre un 550 xi si un 550 xd de aceasi putere & performanta nu e logic ca alegi pe cel diesel?
pe bune acum... nu e usor sa cauti peco din 100 in 100 km )) doar de dragul ca e pe benzina )
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Old 22-02-12, 15:03   #2479
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daca ne uitam pe raportul APIA, cei 3 producatori premium sunt pe locurile 5-7-10 ca numar total de autoturisme diesel noi comercializate, insa ca procent din totalul autoturismelor vandute de catre ei, sunt pe locurile 1-2-3 in romania.
Bmw -94.1% din totalul comercializat este diesel
mercedes-84.1%
audi-77.8%

asta poate duce la concluzia ca romanii :
1. cred ca premium suprem inseamna diesel
2. romanii de fapt nu-si permit sa cumpere un autoturism premium daca ulterior costul cu combustibilul este o povara(sau e de luat in calcul) iar daca se gandesc si la revanzare atunci chiar astfel de masini nu-s de nasul lor.

nu poti investi acum 7000 euro in plus pt ca peste 5 ani maxim sa-i recuperezi si sa mai recuperezi alte 5000 din faptul ca dieselul se vinde mai scump.
practic daca acum un 550xi costa 73.000 iar 550xd costa 80.000 mi-e greu sa cred ca daca peste 5 ani si 150.000km vinzi 550xi cu 30.000 euro, pe 550xd iei 42.000 euro.

un personaj ce plateste leasing la un 550xd in vest, de regula are un venit propriu de minim 20.000 euro net lunar si se bucura de masina fara menajamente. probabil in romania cine castiga de unul singur 7000 euro net pe luna, ia in calcul un 550xd si apoi isi pune problema costului combustibilului.
Preitenul de care vorbesc sare lejer de 20k/luna. Este vorba si de conceptii. Si eu prefer sa dau un ban in plus companiei producatoare de masini decat la stat, pe langa faptul ca masina este deductibila, consumul partial.

Pe de alta parte el are un benzinar mare din 2008 impecabil (70k km) care a costat nou 83k si acum nu si-a luat nici 27000 si slabe sanse sa se vanda peste 23-25k. Deci a pierdut 2/3 in 3 ani si putin, este enorm. Daca era diesel il dadea cu 25-30k in 1 zi.

Benzinarul se devalorizeaza mult mai mult, se vinde mult mai greu, consumul este mult mai mare, impozitul mult mai mare, destule argumente zic eu.

Pe langa asta pretul comparat de tine inca nu este exact, rebuie comparat si la echipamente echivalente. S-ar putea ca M550d sa fie mai dotat standard decat 550i.
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Old 22-02-12, 15:37   #2480
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ce benzinar are ?
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Old 22-02-12, 16:05   #2481
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ce benzinar are ?
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Aia e "masina pe viata"!!
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Imagini "scapate" cu noul Audi A3:
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Old 22-02-12, 18:24   #2484
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Un facelift sau mai degraba un A1 mai mare!!Show must go on!!
Trebuie mutat la BMW vs..

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Aia e "masina pe viata"!!
Probabil o sa o dea la buy-back la BMW sau la Mercedes, o valorifica mai bine asa.
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Un facelift sau mai degraba un A1 mai mare!!Show must go on!!
Trebuie mutat la BMW vs..
Asa e, scuze ... si cu seria asta diesel de la M am dubii daca sa o postez aici sau acolo, in fine : cateva detalii legate de M550xd (F10 / F11) :



M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology: three turbochargers, common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors and maximum injection pressure of 2,200 bar; 3.0-litre displacement, 280 kW/381 hp, maximum torque: 740 Newton metres (546 lb-ft); instantaneous responses and outstandingly dynamic power delivery into the upper reaches of the rev range; maximum revs: 5,400 rpm; impressively economical thanks to optimised efficiency and extensive BMW EfficientDynamics technology, including Auto Start-Stop function and ECO PRO mode.

Eight-speed Sports automatic transmission with enhanced gearshift dynamics fitted as standard on all BMW M Performance Automobiles;
BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel drive with bespoke set-up optimised to enhance dynamics; BMW M550d xDrive and BMW X5 M50d with Performance Control, BMW X6 M50d with Dynamic Performance Control.

M-specific tuning of suspension, bodyshell mounting, engine and transmission mounting, springs and dampers, all standard and optional chassis control systems, and the Servotronic mapping for the hydraulic steering; result is significantly enhanced agility and precision in dynamic driving situations, with the linear build-up of lateral forces familiar from M cars.

BMW M550d xDrive comes as standard with the Driving Experience Control switch, including ECO PRO mode;
BMW M550d xDrive Touring also features air suspension on the rear axle and automatic self-levelling; both models available as an option with Dynamic Damper Control and Adaptive Drive including anti-roll control.

Engine:
Six-cylinder in-line diesel engine with
M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology, aluminium crankcase, three turbochargers (high-pressure, with variable turbine geometry), common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors, maximum injection pressure: 2,200 bar.
Displacement: 2,993 cc,
output: 280 kW/381 hp at 4,000 – 4,400 rpm,
max. torque: 740 Nm (546 lb-ft) at 2,000 – 3 000 rpm,
specific output: 93.6 kW/127.3 hp per litre of displacement.

BMW M Performance models: performance figures, fuel consumption, CO2 emissions:

BMW M550d xDrive Sedan:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.7 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 6.3 litres/100 kilometres (44.8 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 165 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6.

BMW M550d xDrive Touring:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.9 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 6.4 litres/100 kilometres (44.1 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 169 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6.

BMW X5 M50d:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.4 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 7.5 litres/100 kilometres (37.7 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 199 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5.

BMW X6 M50d:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.3 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 7.7 litres/100 kilometres (36.7 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 204 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5.
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nu are nici o treaba cu a1 sau cu vechiul a3, e platforma total noua.
iar finisarile interioare sunt de prima clasa, ceva ce nu se va regasi in veci pe seria 1 sau a klasse.
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Si mie imi place ... si este platforma noua si are probabil (ca de fiecare data aproape) cel mai inchegat si bine finisat interior ... dar nu asta e totul ... stai sa apara testele ...
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nu are nici o treaba cu a1 sau cu vechiul a3, e platforma total noua.
iar finisarile interioare sunt de prima clasa, ceva ce nu se va regasi in veci pe seria 1 sau a klasse.
mie imi place.
Nu e urat dar are dreptate Adrian.

A1 vs A3 vs Seria 1 - Nu mi se pare deloc mai frumos cel de A3 decat cel de Seria 1 si sa nu uitam ca BMW a facut pasi mari la interior. De Mercedes mi-e frica, dar capabili de interior frumos si materiale bune sunt.
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Test Drive BMW M5 M550d xDrive de la Autocar.co.uk
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