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View Poll Results: VW Golf 4 vs. Opel Astra G vs. Ford Focus
VW Golf 4 399 54.51%
Opel Astra G 160 21.86%
Ford Focus 173 23.63%
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Old 11-03-10, 12:58   #616
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=))foarte constructiva. contrazici fara sa ai o baza logica , si apoi aplici bancu' cu linku

Iisus a inviat!
unde?? da'mi link dami link )

fugi pe craiova forum ca acolo vin si pusti de 14 ani si iti vorbesc de performantele ferrariului

scuze da nu am putut sa ma abtin ) ne auzim .vezi ce mai afli www.google.ro
cati ani ai ? ai permis ?
legat de link , logic ca i l-am cerut , pentru ca sunt toate sansele ca el sa imi dea un articol direct la subiect , nu sa caut eu pe bajbaite pe google .

"racere" sau "fotografe" , care crezi ca te prinde mai bine , lasa-te .
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Old 11-03-10, 13:01   #617
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tu ai reusit sa il iei ?) cate incercari ai la activ ? mai acu parca te stiu ca aveai 16 ani si faceau astia misto de tine pe craiova forum
crede'ma ca sunt satul pana peste cap )tu ma distrezi pe mine..in schimb vad ca te aprinzi cand zic ceva) nu ma deranjeaza.

nu te mai lamuresc cu nimica ..oricum parerea si opinia ta imi este indifereta..

hai ca m'ai distrat..ceaules
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Old 11-03-10, 13:08   #618
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To be honest, before reading road test report about the new Opel Astra, I did not have any expectation on its handling. You know, since the last generation Vectra, we saw too many good-looking but bad-chassis Opels - Calibra, Corsa, Vectra and Tigra. Only the rear-wheel drive Omega can break this mould.
However, General Motors finally understood that European requires good handling to match with other practicality concern, so it employed Lotus Engineering to fine-tune the new Astra. It is said that GME's top executives decided to hire Lotus after driving the final prototype with disappointment. As a result, Astra was delayed for 6 months.

Nevertheless, these 6 months is worthy. Lotus has done a great job to transform the Astra into a very dynamical car. Benefited by the stiffest chassis in its class until now, and a stiffer suspension setup, Astra rolls very little in corner, and it always feel strong and secure to push hard. In some way it feels even more driver-biased than the superb Peugeot 306, partially because of slightly harder ride, partially because of less body roll, and also because of the stiffer chassis. Ride is quite effective for shock absorption, though not as supple as the French car. Steering has rich feel, just next to 306. NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) suppression is extremely good due to the sub-frame mounting for front suspensions.

Astra still uses the full range of 16 valves engines that appeared early this decade. (They were also developed by Lotus) 1.2 litres 64hp, 1.4 litres 89hp, 1.6 litres 99hp, 1.8 litres 113hp and 2.0 litres 134hp are all carried over without change. Anyway, compare with other European rivals, these so-called "Ecotec" engines are still above average. They love to rev, and quite smoothly. Accompany with the 0.29 Cd, no wonder even the 1.4 version can hit 111mph and takes only 10.3 sec for 0-60mph acceleration. No more could be expected.
Sursa: http://www.autozine.org/Graveyard/ht...stra_1998.html

Nu numai motorul de 1.4, asta am zis-o ca fapt divers, ci si restul celor enumerate de mai sus.
Pentru cine nu intelege in lb engleza: tot sasiul a fost transformat de Lotus. Povestea e cam asa: General Motors a priceput intr-un final ca in europa se cere manevrabilitate, asa ca a "angajat" divizia de ingineri Lotus pentru a pune la punct Astra. Initial, cei de la Lotus au fost cam dezamagiti, motiv pentru care lansarea Astra a fost intarziata cu 6 luni pentru a-i lasa pe cei de la Lotus s-o "transforme". Rezultatul a fost unul foarte multumitor.

Asta a fost primul link pe care l-am gasit, nu am timp sa mai caut, trebuie sa plec acum.
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cand eu aveam 16 ani , tu nu aveai buletin
sau , cand eu acum pot sa ma duc la bucuresti cu masina tu stai si freci nefesu
sau , cand eu fac fotografii tu te joci cu compacta in nisip
hai , du-te pe alte topicuri ca asta nu e de tine .

revenind la subiect : golful si focusul sunt hot-hatch . mult mai interesant era comparatia cu megane si chiar mazda 3

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Pentru cine nu intelege in lb engleza: tot sasiul a fost transformat de Lotus.
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mersi amphetamine .

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golful si focusul sunt hot-hatch
Hot Hatch = Focust ST, Golf GTI, Astra OPC, Mazda 3 MPS, Megane RS, Civic Type-R etc. Pentru astea exista alte comparatii.
Iar o comparatie intre toate hatch-urile astea (nu hot-hatch-urile) cu Mazda 3 este una cam esuata. Mazda 3 este peste toate, din orice punct de vedere.
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Old 11-03-10, 13:14   #621
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Hot Hatch = Focust ST, Golf GTI, Astra OPC, Mazda 3 MPS, Megane RS, Civic Type-R etc. Pentru astea exista alte comparatii.
Iar o comparatie intre toate hatch-urile astea (nu hot-hatch-urile) cu Mazda 3 este una cam esuata. Mazda 3 este peste toate, din orice punct de vedere.
ca tot o luaram pe aratura : crezi ca este peste megane rs ? sau focus rs ?
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greedy tu faci distinctia intre HOT-hatch si hatch?
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Old 11-03-10, 16:34   #623
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si fara hot , si cu hot astra e cel mai slab jucator .
+ ca nu prea e hatch , e intre si asta iar e un -
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Old 11-03-10, 16:54   #624
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Astra G teoretic nu este hatchback, este un sedan cu hayon. De fapt se cheama Astra G-CC varianta in 5 usi.
Nu vad de ce ar fi un minus asta atat timp cat respecta dimensiunile unui hatchback si spatiul interior este mai mare decat la Golf 4 - asta am simtit-o pe pielea mea, am facut test in paralel cu scaunul sofer reglat comod cat pentru o persoana de 1.80 - la Golf stateam in spate cu picioarele lipite de spatarul scaunului soferului, la Astra abia daca atingeam. In plus, sa te dai jos din spate este mult mai incomod la Golf decat la Astra, pavilionul usii este mai mic.
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amphetamine Astra G e hatchback si in teorie si in practica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback
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Super amuzant a devenit si acest thread. De fiecare data apar flameri care isi dau ei cu parerea desi unii n-au nici permis sau au permis de foarte putin timp si au impresia ca sunt miezul . Interesant de citit si descretit fruntea .Tot inainte baieti cu parerile de experti
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Super amuzant a devenit si acest thread. De fiecare data apar flameri care isi dau ei cu parerea desi unii n-au nici permis sau au permis de foarte putin timp si au impresia ca sunt miezul . Interesant de citit si descretit fruntea .Tot inainte baieti cu parerile de experti
Daca tu esti "expertul", te rog posteaza o parere de expert. Comentariile de genul asta n-au niciun folos.
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Ford Focus votez....nu l-as da pe un VAG sau pe Opel....desi este o parere cam subiectiva
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Ford Focus votez....nu l-as da pe un VAG sau pe Opel....desi este o parere cam subiectiva
Lipsesc argumentele, refă postarea te rog după ce citeşti ce scrie aici: https://forum.4tuning.ro/55-versus-au...i-privire.html
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Lipsesc argumentele, refă postarea te rog după ce citeşti ce scrie aici: https://forum.4tuning.ro/55-versus-au...i-privire.html
exista la mine in familie ford focus si nu l-as da la schimb pe golf sau opel....am precizat ca poate nu este o parere obiectiva...cel putin din pct de vedere al fiabilitatii n-am ce sa reprosez focusului... golf-ul este mai scump la intretinere si decat astra si decat focus...iar astra parerea mea personala nu-mi place la finisarea interioara....unde totusi sta mai bine golf-ul decat amandoua dar per total votez focus
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