Fiabilitate: japoneze vs. germane - Page 20

GTR · 01-09-10, 09:21

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Originally Posted by _anaconda_

Asta vroiam sa zic si eu, faptul ca un producator face recall nu e un lucru rau ci e bun, rezolva anumite probleme pe gratis. Daca cineva crede ca producatorul care nu face recall este mai bun ca ala care a facut e cel putin NAIV, probleme exista peste tot dar un brand serios si le rezolva, altii se fac ca ploua la unele, la altele nu. Faptul ca astia cheama anumite masini in service si le repara gratis este excelent, probleme au existat la toti dar nu toti au avut bunul simt sa faca asta.

Apropo, ce probleme are Q7 cu trapa ?

Cu amandoua. Masina Q7 - 3.0 TDI - 2008, 40 k km. - iesita din garantie
Explicatie service Porsche Romania - masina a fost spalata prea des si oricum trapele au garantie 10k km

))) - Tipic romanesc.
Ulterior a facut-o in privat un mecanic tot de la Porsche care ne-a povestit multe, inclusiv toate problemele de fabricatie de care se loveste frecvant la Audi - VW.

vacaroz · 01-09-10, 13:30

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Originally Posted by GTR

Cu amandoua. Masina Q7 - 3.0 TDI - 2008, 40 k km. - iesita din garantie
Explicatie service Porsche Romania - masina a fost spalata prea des si oricum trapele au garantie 10k km

))) - Tipic romanesc.
Ulterior a facut-o in privat un mecanic tot de la Porsche care ne-a povestit multe, inclusiv toate problemele de fabricatie de care se loveste frecvant la Audi - VW.

oare nissan se descurca mai bine? cred ca sta catastrofal in comparatie cu grupul vag la ora actuala, tu vorbesti de o piata (ro) unde infinity e aproape inexistent, automat o sa auzi plangan-du-se mai multi proprietari de vag pentru ca ceilalti.... sunt inexistenti
cand se vorbeste de problemele unor masini ar fi bine sa se ia in calcul si fiabilitatea per nr de masini din ambele tabere
de cand coalitia nissan-renault, japonezele au inceput sa scartie rau, si la propriu si la figurat. deja fiabilitatea lor nu mai e deloc un punct forte si asta ar fi o minciuna gogonata sa nu o recunosti.

GTR · 01-09-10, 15:16

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Originally Posted by vacaroz

oare nissan se descurca mai bine? cred ca sta catastrofal in comparatie cu grupul vag la ora actuala, tu vorbesti de o piata (ro) unde infinity e aproape inexistent, automat o sa auzi plangan-du-se mai multi proprietari de vag pentru ca ceilalti.... sunt inexistenti
cand se vorbeste de problemele unor masini ar fi bine sa se ia in calcul si fiabilitatea per nr de masini din ambele tabere
de cand coalitia nissan-renault, japonezele au inceput sa scartie rau, si la propriu si la figurat. deja fiabilitatea lor nu mai e deloc un punct forte si asta ar fi o minciuna gogonata sa nu o recunosti.

O, asta clar, fiabilitatea nu ca nu ar fi punctul lor forte dar nu mai este ce a fost, iar Nissan este o corcitura, la parteaa cu Renault se vad rezultatele, pe partea fara Renault inca stau binisor dar nu exceleaza. Este surprinzator sa vezi cum un Citroen bate japoneze si germane, suntem placut surprinsi de de revenirea Mercedes, etc.
Partea ansoala este ca nu se iau masuri stricte si generale legate de recall.

xxdadixx · 01-09-10, 15:43

Si daca s-ar lua, in Romania tot nu se aplica. Ex jantele de aliaj de pe logan, cele de pe care sarea cauciucul. Au fost retrase din tarile vestice si vandute la fraierii de Romani fara sa comenteze nimeni nimic.

vacaroz · 01-09-10, 15:56

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Originally Posted by GTR

O, asta clar, fiabilitatea nu ca nu ar fi punctul lor forte dar nu mai este ce a fost, iar Nissan este o corcitura, la parteaa cu Renault se vad rezultatele, pe partea fara Renault inca stau binisor dar nu exceleaza. Este surprinzator sa vezi cum un Citroen bate japoneze si germane, suntem placut surprinsi de de revenirea Mercedes, etc.
Partea ansoala este ca nu se iau masuri stricte si generale legate de recall.

frumos ar fi fost sa fie invers, ca cei de la renault sa aplice politica nissan.
cred ca in segmentul low cost se va vedea cel mai major impact negativ datorita finantarilor slabe pentru dezvoltarea calitatii si materrialelor proaste.... acum cared ca va fi regresul industriei auto
ps: toyota au vreun sistem in care foloseste anumite componente de la masinile uzate pentru cele noi?

UNLORD · 02-09-10, 15:04

2800 CS cu 413.000 mile sau 660.000 km !

golf3diesel · 02-09-10, 16:41

ok dar sa vedem ce fiabilitate are un E36..E46..sau E90

UNLORD · 02-09-10, 16:53

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ok dar sa vedem ce fiabilitate are un E36..E46..sau E90

Eu zic ca atat E36 cat si E46 si-au aratat fiabilitatea pana acuma ... facand abstractie de unele cazaturi hingherite si manarite din Romania, care sunt oricum inevitabile. Eu personal am avut E36 320i si l-am vandut la 250.000km cu f. putini bani investiti in masina. Faptul ca la noi, cumparatorii se orienteaza mult mai mult dupa BMW decat ... sa spunem ... Audi sau Mercedes sau alte branduri premium, spune multe despre fiabilitate, costuri de intretinere etc.

_anaconda_ · 02-09-10, 21:25

Eu zic ca nu spune absolut nimic despre fiabilitate, mai ales ca romania nu este un etalon. Plus ca nu stiu ce statistici ai vazut tu in care romanii cumpara (MULT) mai multe BMW decat Audi.

a3ds · 03-09-10, 11:56

http://fastestlaps.com/articles/gt-r...ot_sorted.html

vacaroz · 03-09-10, 12:15

touchdown

a3ds · 03-09-10, 12:35

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-gt-r-mia.html

10-days ago I dropped our GTR off at Nissan of Santa Monica to let them deal with a fuel leak we experienced during some *ahem* spirited driving. Once at the dealer the problem, predictably, could not be repeated and nobody in the GTR program had heard of it. Unlike some other issues we've experienced that the dealer couldn't replicate, Nissan decided to act on our complaint immediately instead of waiting for it to happen again. But as the problem couldn't be duplicated and they have no pool of information on this car from which to draw, they weren't quite sure what they were going to do. After several calls to Nissan brass in the States and Japan a solution was decided upon: Replace everything involved in the fuel / evap system from the driver seat back and ship it back to HQ for analysis. The parts were already in the mail when he called me. The car, they said, would be available the following Wednesday, today.

Well this morning I got another call from our local Nissan shop with more news. When the corporate techs (flown in to diagnose a sick godzilla) were removing the transaxle (!) to replace the fuel tank they noticed some moisture on one of the seals. They wiped it off and road tested the car in an attempt to replicate that leak. No dice. Following precedent set with the fuel system problem, they called HQ and were told to remove the transaxle and ship it back for analysis.

The new gearbox is already en-route, we should have the GTR back on Tuesday unless they decide to replace the engine while they're at it.

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...gainagain.html

After 5-fills, at least 2 of them on E, there has been no repeat of the issue. Though it must be said that we are still on break-in mileage for the new transaxle and the miles have been gentle. While we can't be sure of this, it stands to reason that this failure had something to do with our recent repair involving a fuel leak. For that repair the follow was replaced:

Fuel tank assembly

Charcoal canister (evaporative system)

Fuel filler tube

Purge control solenoid

Filler Cap

During this repair-- one that required the removal of the transaxle-- Nissan's techs found some moisture on the removed driveline parts. They cleaned the part, road tested the car and then, when it failed to repeat, requested to exchange the ($13,690-- according to Courtesey Nissan of Texas) part for a new one. This, they said, wouldn't add any time to the repair as they were still waiting on parts to arrive. We've never had any problem to the transaxle, but it wouldn't add any more time so we agreed. (This also prolonged our first transmission oil change, an event that, according to some at NAGTROC.ORG, runs about $1,000.) The only downside to this replacement, on our end, is the repeat of the initial 1,000 mile break-in period.

The final reason for our GT-R's absence was its six-thousand mile service. Total time for this was less than a day and cost $75 in 0W40; $6.95 in filters; $2.65 for a drain washer; and a whopping $248 in labor. Plus tux the total was $339.58. While the service was done the same day, we had to wait until the following Monday to pay for the job; Nissan didn't have pricing information for the 6K service yet. We were, apparently, the first.

Edmunds Inside Line had a long term test GTR that had multiple failures.

Transmission leaked and was replaced. Evap control valve caused multiple check engine lights. Gas tank many times would only accept half a tank of gas and would sometimes spew gas out of the filler cap due to its saddle shape.

In their 15 month test the car was out of service for 37 days. They also commented on how expensive everything was.. such as $200 oil changes and tranny fluid that cost over $100 a bottle.

Gixer · 03-09-10, 12:46

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Originally Posted by _anaconda_

Eu zic ca nu spune absolut nimic despre fiabilitate, mai ales ca romania nu este un etalon. Plus ca nu stiu ce statistici ai vazut tu in care romanii cumpara (MULT) mai multe BMW decat Audi.

Intr-adevar nu se cumpara MULT mai multe bavareze decat audiuri, dar se cumpara mai multe, si mai ales second. Eu am avut parte de o statistica cel putin hilara fata de aceste 2 marci: de vo 4-5 am parcat la super-marketuri langa un alt BMW, ba chiar o data intre 2

si numai de 2 ori langa ceva Audi

.....si am fost anu asta de vo 50 de ori in astfel de parcari...so do the math

sKyNeT · 03-09-10, 17:41

Dar pe asta o stiti ?

xxdadixx · 03-09-10, 17:41

Eu am masina la vanzare si ma suna lumea sa dea audi la schimb