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View Poll Results: Pentru ce diesel optati din cele doua?
Pumpe Düse 36 39.56%
Common rail 55 60.44%
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Old 04-02-11, 12:29   #136
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Si industria moto velo e tot o industrie, dar totusi cand ziceam industriale, ma refeream la cele care incep de la 1000cp, la care chiulasele sunt independente pe fiecare cilindru si se scot la presa hidraulica si se ridica doar cu troliu/macara, etc. Astea nu au vazut PD.

Totusi unde sunt PD-urile alea puternice, hai sa coboram stacheta: ce zici 90cp/l in 2004 - 535d. Lasa 10, zi macar 2-3 diferite intre ele cu puteri specifice mai mari.
vw tuareg 5000tdi 313hp pd
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Old 04-02-11, 12:35   #137
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Foarte proasta motorizare. Am un asa zis amic cu o galeata ca asta.
Pana ajunge la 180, joc septica cu baietii.
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Old 04-02-11, 12:36   #138
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60cp /l la touareg deci ai cam gresit

le: esti cam prost informat cu salupa sau probabil amicul are o bicicleta cu motor/ moped ceva. Desi e ditamai animalul de 2tone si ceva un cred ca ai mers in vreuna sa vezi cam ce poate mastodontul cu motorasul ala de 5 litri si vreo 700 nm (daca nu mai bine )

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Old 04-02-11, 12:46   #139
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Nu vreau sa ma cert cu dumneata, ca nu castig nimic.
Animalul ala cum il numesti tu, e foarte puturos.

Eu cu un diesel de 3 litri pe o masina de 1,5t am timp sa fac de doua ori 0-200 pana sa il faca el o data.

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Old 04-02-11, 12:48   #140
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Eu cred ca exagerezi foarte mult sau masina aluia e stricata. Puterea litrica nu e punctul forte la 5.0 TDI dar nu e asa puturos cum zici tu (filmul ala o dovedeste). Sau tu te astepti la 0-200 in 12 secunde la o masina de 300 CP, 2.5 tone si aerodinamica de caramida ?

La faza cu 0-200 de 2 ori nici nu mai vorbesc...
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Old 04-02-11, 12:52   #141
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Nu vreau sa ma cert cu dumneata, ca nu castig nimic.
Animalul ala cum il numesti tu, e foarte puturos.

Eu cu un diesel de 3 litri pe o masina de 1,5t am timp sa fac de doua ori 0-200 pana sa il faca el o data.

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adu-mi mie un astfel de exemplar si vin si eu cu ibiza 1.9tdi pd 105hp de fabrica putin modificata sunt curios sa vad ce mai zice acel 335biturbo
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Old 04-02-11, 12:56   #142
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E un motor de 5 litri, extraordinar. Ma lasa rece. V10 si inca foloseste 2 supape pe cilindru, cand altii mancau pe paine inovatii ce permiteau un control al valvelor pe fiecare nivel de turatie.
Pe mine nu ma da gata 0-100. Mie nu-mi trebuie acolo.

Eu vorbesc aici de masini standard, nu ca ai schimbat si tu o turbina pe un 1.9 si mi te infatisezi ca un mare pionier.
Te rog sa nu te mi te mai adresezi, ca m-am lamurit si ce fel de mecanic esti.

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Old 04-02-11, 12:57   #143
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atunci schimbam si caroseria cu vw phaeton 5.0tdi pd sa vedem pe unde scoti camasa
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http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...ar/?car=153373

Cylinders V10
Displacement 4.9 litre
4921 cc
(300.298 cu in)
Type DOHC

4 valves per cylinder
40 valves in total

Dupa cum spuneam, tu chiar ai informatii eronate .

LE - la ala din 2002 scrie SOHC dar tot 4 supape / cilindru.
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Old 04-02-11, 13:14   #145
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Ala e singurul site care mentioneaza de 4 supape pe cilindru. In rest toate stiu de 2. Ai presupus ca ei detin cheia cunoasterii.


Ca tot ii laudati:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/volkswagen...ec/e8-133125-2
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Old 04-02-11, 13:31   #146
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eu zic ca vw tuareg v10 tdi este de categoria lui bmw x5 335d
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Old 04-02-11, 13:35   #147
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Este superioara motorizarea de pe BMW.
In X5 3.5D nu am fost, dar in 3.0D resoftat da.
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Old 04-02-11, 13:40   #148
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Este superioara motorizarea de pe BMW.
In X5 3.5D nu am fost, dar in 3.0D resoftat da.
hai sa resoftam si v10 tdi sa vezi cu sare de 400 hp si discutam altfel.........vezi ca defapt el este limitat la caii pe care ii are stock........
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vw tuareg 5000tdi 313hp pd
Displacement : 2993 cm3

X6
Bore x Stroke : 84 x 90 mm
Type : 24 Valves
Aspiration : Turbo (TGV) + Intercooler
Compression Ratio : 16.5
Output : 306 cv (225 kW) @ 4400 rpm
Torque : 600 Nm (442 lb.ft) @ 1500-2500 rpm
Gearbox : 8 speed Auto
Wheelbase : 293.3 cm
Length : 487.7 cm
Width : 198.3 cm
Height : 169.0 cm
Cx : 0.34
Front Brakes : Vented Discs (348 mm)
Rear Brakes : Vented Discs (320 mm)
Front Tyres : 255/50 R19
Rear Tyres : 255/50 R19
Kerb Weight : 2185 kg
Weight/Output Ratio : 7.14 kg/cv
0 to 100 km/h : 6.5 s
0 to 1000m : 26.9 s

Idem x5 cu acelasi motor

745d
Displacement : 4423 cm3
Bore x Stroke : 87.0 x 93.0 mm
Type : 32 Valves
Aspiration : TGV+ Intercooler
Compression Ratio : 17.0
Output : 300 cv (220 kW) @ 4000 rpm
Torque : 700 Nm (516 lb.ft) @ 1750 rpm
Gearbox : 6 speed Sequential
Wheelbase : 299.0 cm
Length : 504.0 cm
Width : 190.0 cm
Height : 149.0 cm
Cx : 0.29
Front Brakes : Vented Discs (374 mm)
Rear Brakes : Vented Discs (370 mm)
Front Tyres : 245/50 R18
Rear Tyres : 245/50 R18
Kerb Weight : 2015 kg
Weight/Output Ratio : 6.71 kg/cv
Top Speed : 250 km/h (155 Mph)
0 to 100 km/h : 6.6 s

tuaregul dat de tine, care vad ca nu se mai face

Displacement : 4921 cm3
Bore x Stroke : 81.0 x 95.5 mm
Type : 20 Valves
Aspiration : TGV + Intercooler
Compression Ratio : 18.5
Output : 313 cv (230 kW) @ 3750 rpm
Torque : 750 Nm (553 lb.ft) @ 2000 rpm
Gearbox : 6 speed Auto
Wheelbase : 285.5 cm
Length : 475.4 cm
Width : 192.8 cm
Height : 170.3 cm
Cx : 0.38
Kerb Weight : 2611 kg
Weight/Output Ratio : 8.34 kg/cv
Front Suspension : -
Rear Suspension : -
Top Speed : 225 km/h (139 Mph)
0 to 100 km/h : 7.8 s

phaetonul are 0-100 6.9


Motorul ala e destul de varza dupa mine, adica 60cp/l e de toata jena cand aspirat se pot scoate 40cp/l la diesel.

Oricum sa revenim la motoare mai pamantesti ca asa iti arat si eu un motor de 100.000 de cai cu cilindirii cat fantana.

Putere specifica inseamna pe unitate de volum, pe litru daca vrei.

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Old 05-06-11, 01:07   #150
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Nu mai stiu daca s-a pomenit aici, dar ar mai fi un avantaj la Common rail: intervale mai lungi la schimbul curelei de distributie. Vad ca de cand Golfurile au trecut la motoare CR, s-au lungit si intervalele de schimb fata de cele PD din trecut.
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