SUV big boys: Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG

[ameer]

Originally Posted by SEBASTIAN

Pot sa aleg noul X5 cu motor v10 de m5?
A scuze era in altaclasa si e prea nou.

Nu se va intampla asa ceva niciodata...

[IamCross]

Baga shi un ssang yong rodius dak tot esti aici. yo pentru care votez? care e mai urata, sau cum?

[Edy::Aj]

aleg Mercedesu Ml 63 Amg cai mai frumoasa si dincate am auzit ii si mai tare off-rouad

[THX-1]

Originally Posted by Edy::Aj

aleg Mercedesu Ml 63 Amg cai mai frumoasa si dincate am auzit ii si mai tare off-rouad

Ai auzit prost!!,dc. citeai si celelalte posturi ai fi observat "ca-i" invers!

[993turbo]

Originally Posted by PaRaDoX

O fi cum spui tu ( am uitat sa va spun sa-mi confirmati sau sa imi infirmati afirmatiile facute) dar la partea cu istoria parca nimeni nare tupeu sa se bage. :d
))) Vreau sa ma refer aici ca a faut partea cu integrale, dar un 4X4 pur na facut niciodata. Si Lamborghini sunt 4x4 si asta nu cred ca dak ar fi sa scoata un SUV 4WD ar avea aceeasi experienta cu Range Rover sau cu Mercedes

Eu am sapat un pic prin istoria lor, cine spune ca nu au traditie la 4x4 sa nu uite care a fost prima masina 4x4 din lume ( Porsche-Lohner conceput in 1898 si prezentata la expozitia mondiala din 1900 din Paris) apoi tractorul din 1912, celebrul Schwimmwagen (masina de serie pt armata) ul din 1941, victoriile din Paris-Dakkar, 959, Carrera4, 911 Turbo...mda, cam au ceva traditie...ca sa nu mai spun de o chestie cu senile numita Tiger care le a dat fiori reci aliatilor in WW2, Porsche este una din cele mai puternice firme de consultanta/inginerie din lume, multe firme celebre apeleaza la expertiza lor, nu mi vorbiti de exclusivitate, nu uitati ca Lamborghini face si centrale termice...

[SEBASTIAN]

Am sa te rog sa fi mai riguros cu informatile.

• 1898: Latil (France) making front wheel drive units and then 4x4.
• 1898: Tatra starts manufacturing.
• 1900: Ferdinand Porsche's La Toujours Contente is battery-powered with 4 electric motors, one per wheel. He later patents the Mixte transmission: a petrol engine drives a dynamo and electric motors drive the wheels (too expensive for the day).
• 1902: Spyker (Dutch) full-time four wheel drive car built. Exhibited at the Paris Motor Show in December 1903 [Sco61].
• 1907: Felix and Norman Caldwell of South Australia apply for a patent for four wheel drive plus four wheel steering; they go on to build Caldwell Vale 4x4 trucks with Henry Vale.
• 1911: FWD sells its first 4x4 [Bal87].
• 1913: Jeffrey Quad 4X4 truck goes into production.
• 1915: Big Lizzie road train (Au).
• 1917: First Oshkosh four wheel drive truck [Bal88].
• 1922, December 17: Citroen half-tracks leave from Touggourt in Algeria to cross the Sahara Desert.
• 1924, December 28: Citroen half-tracks leave to traverse Africa.
• 1929: AEC start to build AWD trucks in conjunction with FWD (UK).
• 1931-1932: Citroen-Haardt expedition, using Citroen half-tracks, follows part of Marco-Polo's route from Beirut to Beijing.
• 1932: Miller 4x4 racing cars at Indianapolis.
• 1934: AEC road train (one of three built) brought to Australia. It consisted of an 8x8 prime-mover and two 8-wheel self-tracking trailers.
• 1934: Dodge start building 4WD trucks (- George Miles).
• 1934: Prototype PX-33 four wheel drive car built for the Japanese government; the car did not go into production (Mitsubishi). Thanks to Balazs Toth.
• 1938: GAZ 61 - Russian 4x4.
• 1940: Jeep specification issued.
• 1940-1941: Bantam build 2700 light 4x4s, early "Jeeps".
• 1941-1945: Ford and Willys-Overland build 700,000 General Purpose vehicles for WWII (GP becomes Jeep).
• 1946, October 10: Unimog introduced (- H. J. Feil).
• 1948: Series-1 Land-Rover released.
• 1948: Ford release first of the F-Series vehicles.
• 1950: Ford GPA, or amphibious Jeep `Half Safe' crosses the Atlantic ocean (I am not making this up).
• 1951: First Toyota Landcruiser built, as the `BJ Jeep', the LandCruiser name came in 1954.
• 1951 - NAPCO (Northwestern Auto Parts Company) starts to produce 4x4 conversion units. The earliest documentable truck to be converted by NAPCO was a 1951 Chevy 3/4 ton owned by Butch Gehrig of Odell, Oregon.
• 1954-1956: Amphibious Jeep `La Tortuga' "drives" from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
• 1955-1956: London to Singapore overland (except for Channel!) 2 x Land-Rovers.
• 1958: First Toyota LandCruisers imported into Australia.
• 1959: Haflinger by Steyr-Daimler-Puch.
• 1960: A Jeep and a Land-Rover traverse the Darien Gap.
• 1961: Stirling Moss driving a Ferguson Project 99 (P99) with the Ferguson 4WD system wins the Oulton Park Gold-Cup race.
• 1964, 17 July: Bluebird (4WD) raises the land speed record to 403 mph.
• 1966: Jensen FF all wheel drive road car is put into production (until 1971), using a Ferguson Formula 4WD system with centre diff' and viscous coupling ?? --> (the FF also had ABS brakes) - John Wild.
• 1970: Range Rover released - luxury full-time 4WD.
• 1971: Ford Falcon XY ute 4WD (Australia)
• 1971: Four wheel drive on the Moon
• 1971-1972: British Trans-Americas Range Rover expedition.
• 1974: Subaru Leone L-series - four wheel drive passenger car.
• 1979: AMC produce the Eagle 4x4 car
• 1981: Humvee or Hummer (HMMWV - High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) specification issued.
• 1981: Audi revolutionize rallying with the Quattro 4WD rally car.
• 1981: Porsche must have been watching Audi as they showed a Porsche 911 AWD concept car at the Frankfurt Motor Show [Porsche].
• 1983: Land Rover 110, coil-sprung, full-time 4WD.
• 1984: A Porsche 911 AWD wins the Paris Dakar rally.
• 1986: Porsche 959 AWDs finish 1, 2 and 6 in the Paris Dakar rally.
• 1994: Range Rover completely revised.
• 1996: Jeep Wrangler gets coil springs!
• 2002 and onwards???

[993turbo]

Porsche-Lohner conceput in 1898 ce nu e clar aici?

[SEBASTIAN]

conceput ...
cand s-a fabricat de fapt proiectele mereu incep in trecut

An article we ran some time ago, tracing the origins of the Porsche Carrera 4, mentioned the 1901 sale of a Lohner-Porsche to a motorist in Luton, and claimed this machine as having been Ferdinand Porsche's first four-wheel drive car design.
'01 Lohner-Porsche Phaeton


Ierarhia corecta e mai sus.

[993turbo]

Originally Posted by SEBASTIAN

conceput ...
cand s-a fabricat de fapt proiectele mereu incep in trecut

An article we ran some time ago, tracing the origins of the Porsche Carrera 4, mentioned the 1901 sale of a Lohner-Porsche to a motorist in Luton, and claimed this machine as having been Ferdinand Porsche's first four-wheel drive car design.
'01 Lohner-Porsche Phaeton


Ierarhia corecta e mai sus.

OK, am "gresit" cu 3 ani (conceput in 1989, fabricat/vandut in 1900/1901) , asta nu inseamna ca nu e decand bunica chestia cu 4x4, despre asta discutam de fapt, nu? Faptul ca multi nu stiu despre chestiile astea de istorie antica in ale automobilului ii face sa spuna f superiori "aaa, astia faceau numai masini sport, si au stricat traditia, etc" dar ei nu au nici macar o centrala termica Lamborghini in casa macar realitatea e putin diferita Si daca nu va place Porsche nu l cumparati fratilor, ca e democratie, ma sacrific eu

[AlliedComposites]

Top Gear a trecut pe facut filme in germana????????? ala nu e episod din top gear....

[Dragosh_xxx]

Originally Posted by tfsi

platforma de touareg si motor de porsche...ce iti mai poti dori?cand spui porsche spui multe

Cand spui Porsche spui castigatorul atat onroad cat si offroad.
Porsche-ul are motor mai mic ca a ML-ului dar are mai multzi cai si e mai performanta. TURBO SSSSS

[Bogdan_mb]

Originally Posted by Dragosh_xxx

Porsche-ul are motor mai mic ca a ML-ului dar are mai multzi cai si e mai performanta. TURBO SSSSS

pai asta e principiul turbo

[Car Lover]

al;eg porsche pt pedigree-ul sportiv al marcii

[SEBASTIAN]

Certificatula Ala E Pt Alti Membri Ai Familiei Astia Sunt Corciti

[criss_cars]

Dintre cele doua Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG dar dupa mine lipseste Range Rover Sport.