BMW M3 vs. Mercedes C 63 AMG - best buy 70000 euro

[dan_m3]

Originally Posted by UNLORD

E un test intre 2 masini care inca nu au aparut pe piata oficial, in ciuda faptului ca jurnalistii auto le-au testat separat!
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p.s. Si inca ceva f. important: BMW a anuntat ca o sa scoata si o versiune CSL ca sa spuna definitiv "bye bye" concurentei!

am vb. azi cu niste "oameni" din Garching, Versiunea CSL va aparea intradevar, dar in afara de alte scaune fata, scoaterea banchetei spate si alte genti nu vor fi modificari marcante,...
iar 15000 de euro in plus pt. 30 de Kg minus mi se pare chiar mie ca FAN BMW exagerat,...

ps: timpul neoficial 0-200 Km/h la M3 este de 16,3 s !
pps: un R8 are oficial 16,2 s !!

[boy_wonder]

am si eu o intrebare mai de necunoscator..
nu cumva BMW M3 CSL o sa concureze cu CLK63 AMG Black Series?

[Bogdan_mb]

Originally Posted by UNLORD

p.s. Pun pariu ca diferenta de pret va fi mult mai mare cand vor aparea la vanzare! Adica BMW cel mai ieftin, dupa care Audi si ca de obicei mercedesul cel mai scump!

Din cate am intales C63 si M3 vor avea un pret destul de apropiat, dar cum zice si titlul topicului , pana in 70.000 se incadreaza amandoua.

@pharaon : pana nu vad o dovada sa contreze ce am afirmat eu raman la ideea ca e m-ai usor

@boy_wonder : Black series din pacate nu prea e concurent pentru csl din cauza pretului. Totusi, cai in plus ajuta dar greutatea o trage in spate. Sincer nu prea isi merita bani doar daca esti ceva colectionar sau daca te inebuneste designul superb

[boy_wonder]

Originally Posted by wtcvictim

@boy_wonder : Black series din pacate nu prea e concurent pentru csl din cauza pretului. Totusi, cai in plus ajuta dar greutatea o trage in spate. Sincer nu prea isi merita bani doar daca esti ceva colectionar sau daca te inebuneste designul superb

pai clk63 amg black series are ~510 cai si 1728 kg fiind mai usor decat un 63 AMG simplu, CLK DTM si chiar si ca SLR..
pretul nu il stiu, dar am vazut ca pe supercars.net scrie 135.000 $.
din ce spune dan_m3, m3 csl va costa aprox 85.000 euro si va avea cam 1600 kg..

[dan_m3]

oricum la banii astia EU mias lua un TVR Tuscan Speed Six Red Rose,..

[lada]

Originally Posted by dan_m3

am vb. azi cu niste "oameni" din Garching, Versiunea CSL va aparea intradevar, dar in afara de alte scaune fata, scoaterea banchetei spate si alte genti nu vor fi modificari marcante,...
iar 15000 de euro in plus pt. 30 de Kg minus mi se pare chiar mie ca FAN BMW exagerat,...

ps: timpul neoficial 0-200 Km/h la M3 este de 16,3 s !
pps: un R8 are oficial 16,2 s !!

Eu stiam 15,9s testat pe M3.

[dan_m3]

Originally Posted by lada

Eu stiam 15,9s testat pe M3.

ce mie 16,3 s ce mie 15,9 s ...

undeva pe la 16 s.

[lada]

Am copiat de pe un alt topic scris de Sebastian.
RS4:
0-200km/h = 16.6 seconds
100-0 km/h = 37m
nurburgring laptime: 8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)

e92 M3:
0-200km/h = 15.8 seconds
100 - 0 km/h = 34m
nurburgring laptime: to be determined but faster than the 911 carrera S *note* the 997 carrera S laps the nurburgring in 8:05 for reference: 8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),

Audi R8:
0-200km/h = 16.2 seconds
100-0km/h = 34m
nurburgring laptime: 8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Audi R8, 420 PS/1595 kg (sport auto 07/07)

Comparativ :
o..60mph M3 4,8s.................................. RS4 4,7s
30-70mph 4,1s............................................3, 9s
30-50mph 2,9s............................................2, 8s test in treapa 3
30-50mph 4,1s............................................4, 1s test in treapa 4
50-70mph 5,1s............................................5, 1s test in treapta 5
50-70mph 6,6s............................................6, 8s test in treapa 6
0...100mph 10s.............................................10 ,5s

franare :
70-0mph 43,3m............................................. .......45,7m
60-0mph 31,4.............................................. ........34,1m
30-0mph 8,2............................................... ........8,5m

Technical specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG Carfolio.com ID 160138
bodywork
Type 4/5S SAL
Designer
Number of doors 4
Viewing specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG
dimensions & weight
Wheelbase 2765 mm 108.9 in
Track front 1568 mm 61.7 in
rear 1525 mm 60 in
Length 4725 mm 186 in
Width 1795 mm 70.7 in
Height 1438 mm 56.6 in
Length:wheelbase ratio 1.71
Ground clearance
Kerb weight 1730 kg 3814 lb
Weight distribution
(Front)
Fuel capacity 66
litres 14.5
UK Gal 17.4
US Gal
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aerodynamics
Drag coefficient
Frontal Area
Cx
Viewing specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG
engine
Code
Manufacturer Mercedes-Benz
Type V-8
in 90.0° vee
Wet sumped
DOHC
32 valves total
4 valves per cylinder
Main bearings
Construction
Bore × stroke 102.20mm × 94.60mm
4.02 in × 3.72 in
Bore/Stroke ratio 1.08
Displacement 6208 cc
(378.835 cu in)
Unitary capacity 776 cc/cylinder
Compression ratio 11.30:1
Fuel system EFi
Aspiration Normal
Compressor type N/A
Intercooler None
Catalytic Converter Y
Max. output 457.3 PS (451.0 bhp) (336.3 kW)
@6800 rpm
Max. torque 600.0 Nm (443 lbft) (61.2 kgm)
@5000 rpm
Maximum rpm
Coolant Water
Specific output 72.6 bhp/litre
1.19 bhp/cu in
Specific torque 96.65 Nm/litre
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Viewing specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG
performance
Note: A value of -1 means that
the car cannot attain that speed.
0-50mph (80 km/h)
0-60mph
0-100km/h 4.50s
0-100mph
80-120km/h
(50-70mph)
in top
0-Quarter-mile
0-Kilometre
Top speed 250 km/h (155 mph)
Fuel Consumption
CO2 Emissions
Power-to-weight 260.69 bhp/ton


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Viewing specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG
chassis
Engine location Front
Engine alignment Longitudinal
Steering rack & pinion VPAS
Turns
lock-to-lock
Turning circle
Suspension Front I.3Li.CS.ARB.
Rear I.MultiLi.CS.ARB.
Wheels F/R 8.0J x 18/9.0J x 18
Tyres F 235/40 ZR 18
Tyres R 255/35 ZR 18
Brakes F/R VeDi/VeDi-S-ABS

Ve: Ventilated
Di: Disc (Disk)
Dr: Drum
S: Servo-assisted
ABS: Anti-lock Braking System

Brake ∅ F/R 360/330 mm
Braked area
Transmission 7A
Drive RWD
FWD: Front Wheel Drive
RWD: Rear Wheel Drive
AWD: All Wheel Drive
4WD: Four Wheel Drive

Top gear ratio 0.73
Final drive ratio 2.85
Viewing specifications of 2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG
general
Number made
Model Code
Model Family
2007 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG added 2007-07-30.

[enealiviu]

- AUDI RS4 este capabil de 0-100 in 4.8s , si 0-200 in 16.6s eu zic ca are sanse mari in fata celor doua rivale de la bmw si mercedes .
-BMW M3 atinge 100 km/h in 4.4s cu 0.4s mai bine decat precedentul model si distanta de 400 m in 12.9s pe un traseu umed .
-MERCEDES C63 AMG reuseste un 4.5s pt 100 km/h .
Toate masinile sunt puternice si uluitoare [/FONT]

[boy_wonder]

BMW M3 atinge 0 - 60 mph in 4.7, deci 0 - 100 km/h in 4.8 secunde

[dan_m3]

diferentzele 0-100 si 0-200 sint f mici,...
toat sint cam la 4,5 s si >16 s,...

sa asteptam timpurile scoase pe circuit!!!

[riptor]

aleg m3-ul pentru ca stiu cat de bune au fost predecesoarele dar parca c63-ul are mai multa prezenta scenica ...grea decizie desi prefer motoarele aspirate de inalta turatie(m3..) imi plac mult bestiile de motoare pe care cei de la amg le pun in masini.as zice ca amg-urile sunt niste muscle-car-uri foarte rafinate.. mi se pare interesanta combinatia

[THX-1]

Originally Posted by riptor

aleg m3-ul pentru ca stiu cat de bune au fost predecesoarele dar parca c63-ul are mai multa prezenta scenica ...grea decizie desi prefer motoarele aspirate de inalta turatie(m3..) imi plac mult bestiile de motoare pe care cei de la amg le pun in masini.as zice ca amg-urile sunt niste muscle-car-uri foarte rafinate.. mi se pare interesanta combinatia

Hai ca asta-i tare!

[baghy83]

Interesanta alegerea ta Dan.Dintre cele doua alegi pe a treia

[dan_m3]

Originally Posted by baghy83

Interesanta alegerea ta Dan.Dintre cele doua alegi pe a treia

pai TVR este boala mea

oricum in ~2 saptamini o sa primesc informatii noi despre m3 e92 vs. clk 63 amg black,...