Oltcit vs. Dacia

[SEBASTIAN]

Era prima generatie cu club 11 si axel 11 , axel12trs, + Special.
Arata pe afara ca un Club avea geamuri cred ca putin colorate verzui, era de obicei de culoare alba, avea bandoul spus si probabil servo-frana.
Altceva nu mai stiu acum. Nu era sport nici vorba, ceva mai elegant cau un Club simplu, s-au facut pt export dar nu mai stiu ce tara era clientul.

[steph]

laf pana acum dacia.ro era un site istoric

[SEBASTIAN]

Derivate din clasinele Renault 12 ce cuprindeau in familia lor si Dacia au fost si Renault 12 Gordini masina extrem de celebra la vremea ei si Renault 12 Alpine.
http://www.automobile-sportive.com/g....php?essai=370
http://www.histomobile.com/1/Renault/1969/12_.htm?lan=
116 000 FRF (2 440 euros) (01/08/1970)
8 CV FISCAUX
CARACTERISTIQUES TECHNIQUES RENAULT R12 Gordini
MOTEUR
Type: 4 cylindres en ligne, 8 soupapes arbre à cames latéral
Position: Longitudinal AV
Alimentation: 2 carbus horizontaux double corps Weber 45 DCOE.
Cylindrée en cm3: 1 565
Alésage x course : 77 x 84
Puissance ch SAE à tr/mn: 125 à 6 250 (113 ch DIN).
Puissance au litre en ch SAE : 79,87
Couple maxi en Mkg à tr/mn: 15 à 4 500
TRANSMISSION
AV
Boîte de vitesses (rapports): 5 manuelle.
POIDS
Données constructeur en kg: 980.
Rapport poids/puissance en kg/ch DIN : 7,84
ROUES
Freins : Disques ventilés sur les roues AV et disques AR.
Pneus : AV et AR 155 HR 13
PERFORMANCES
Vitesse maxi en km/h: 185
400 m DA en secondes: 17,8
1 000 m DA en secondes: 32,8
0 à 100 km/h : 9,5
0 à 200 km/h : ND
Consommation moyenne : 15 L/100 km.

[SEBASTIAN]

Renault 12 ALPINE
http://home.wxs.nl/~vrija001/R12_spec.htm
Nanu, eine Renault 12 im Alpine Web? In Argentinien gibt es tatsächlich eine Renault 12 Alpine. Dieses Fahrzeug wurde 1979 gebaut und auch in diversen Rennen eingesetzt. So, zum Beispiel an einem 24 Stunden Rennen im Süden Argentiniens. Dieses Rennen wurde dann auch überlegen gewonnen.Dieses Fahrzeug mit einen 1.4 Liter Motor mobilisiert 110 SAE PS bei 6'200 u/min. Mit einem Gewicht von 956 kg beschleunigt diese Alpine in 11.1 Sekunden von 0 auf 100 km/h, die Höchstgeschwindigkeit lautet 171,6 km/h.


Zurzeit wird dieses Fahrzeug von seinem Besitzer gerade restauriert. Besondere Fürsorge benötigt die Karosserie und der Motor. Leider sind nur wenige Informationen über diesen Wagen erhältlich und so zieht sich die Restauration etwas in die Länge. Danach soll die Alpine an historischen Oldtimer Rallyes, Ausstellungen und anderen Anlässen eingesetzt werden.

http://www.renault-alpine.com/renault12.shtm

[SEBASTIAN]

Cui nu-i plac Renourile aste fara succes ii recomnad un Oltcit sau Citroen Axel fie el si 12TRS.
Cine nu ar vrea sa aiba in colectia lui un R12 Alpine sau un R12 Gordini?

[Laurentiu]

Originally Posted by \"SEBASTIAN\"

Cine nu ar vrea sa aiba in colectia lui un R12 Alpine sau un R12 Gordini?

Sa nu ne mindrim cu ce au facut altii ci cu ce am facut noi, romanii. Era vorba de DACIA vs OLTCIT.

[UniculSGM]

A mea scoate un pic mai bine 0-100 decat R 12 Alpine, dar nu sunt multumit, o fac eu sa scoata 100 in 7.5-8 secunde .

Mai exista si R12 Gordini 2, varinata de raliu, avand un kit de tuning, care duce masina la 147 CP (din)

[TNos]

si totusi nu este limita maxima a motorului de 147 cai...ea merge si mai sus...se poate mult mai bine...

[bogdanlascu]

KIT 1600
Overboring the cylinderheads and crankcase is necessary.
Forged Mahle pistons.
1595 ccm = 1,6 Liter bore Æ 88 mm.
We adapt the pistons to your combustions chambers.
The compression ratio is in the 9 to 10,5 : 1 range.
Delivery of pistons and barrels in set of 4.
Gasket and sealing kit has to be ordered seperately
Carburettor rejetting recommended!
Necessary know-how: Those of you that can change the cylinders and pistons of a GS engine can fit this kit.
Performance: 110 HP and more with adequate camshafts.
Fitting and break in manual
Price: 1483,00 EURO
deci se poate si la oltcit DAR AICI ESTE VORBA DESPRE DACIA VS OLTCIT ,NU GORDINI VS OLTCIT DAR IN FINE..............

[bogdanlascu]

SAU
To promote the quality of the Visa, Citroen asigned Guy Verrier to establish a 'Total Trophée Visa International' competition in 1981 with Group V Visa's. The Super X was redesigned and the model named Visa Trophée. To set even higher standards of performance, in 1982 the Trophée was homologated as a Group B (class up to 1300cc) car of which 200 cars (82-83) were built in total. The Trophée was a great success and won many rallies. The engine of the Super X was enlarged to 1299 cc, fitted with 2 carburettors. It produced in this form 100-150 bhp.
One of the prototypes for the Trophée was designed by Lotus. Guy Verrier introduced a new formula every year. In 1984, the Citroën-Total-Michelin Women's Trophy attracted thousands of women. The Marque competed in Kenya, Mille Lacs, San Remo and Monte Carlo.

[Laurentiu]

Mai, vad ca se degenereaza topicul. Parca am fi doi copii care se ceartasau se bat si cind nu mai au argumente sau este incalecat de celalalt ii spune: vezi ca daca nu te linistesti, il chem pe vrate-miu ca e mai mare si te bate de te zvinta.

[SEBASTIAN]

Daca ati fi stiut sa cititi tot nu a-ti mai fi considerat ca e inafara temei discutia de aici.
Am dat exemple de R12 de succes pt ca s-au adus acuzatii de genul ca daca era asa de bun R12 nu l-am fi primit si l-ar fi vandut Renault Franta.
Am explicat exemplificand ca Renault 12 a avut modele nu de succes ci de mare succes tinand la respect multe firme din lume.
Cat despre modificarea Oltcitului mai greu de poate dar nu sare mult de 100cp in timp ce Dacia ajunge si la 170cp.
Atentie Visa a avut si motoare in linie racite cu apa.
Majoritatea modificarilor facute pe Alpine sau Gordini au ajuns si pe unele Dacii, ca sa nu mai vorbim de celebrele motore Turbo de la Dacia.
Noi vorbim de doua firme, Dacia si Citroen oltenesc.
Nu am vazut alte criterii de comparatie impuse la deschiderea topicului.

[SEBASTIAN]

Originally Posted by \"bogdanlascu\"

SAU
To promote the quality of the Visa, Citroen asigned Guy Verrier to establish a 'Total Trophée Visa International' competition in 1981 with Group V Visa's. The Super X was redesigned and the model named Visa Trophée. To set even higher standards of performance, in 1982 the Trophée was homologated as a Group B (class up to 1300cc) car of which 200 cars (82-83) were built in total. The Trophée was a great success and won many rallies. The engine of the Super X was enlarged to 1299 cc, fitted with 2 carburettors. It produced in this form 100-150 bhp.
One of the prototypes for the Trophée was designed by Lotus. Guy Verrier introduced a new formula every year. In 1984, the Citroën-Total-Michelin Women's Trophy attracted thousands of women. The Marque competed in Kenya, Mille Lacs, San Remo and Monte Carlo.

Atentie motor de 4 cilindri in linie caroseria e in 4-5 usi va rog luati AXel nu Visa.

[SEBASTIAN]

Dacia 2000

[SEBASTIAN]

inca o poza