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Old 19-03-12, 20:31   #136
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Din pacate ,din cati cunoscatori cu adevarat ai let-ului sunt pe forum,prea putini mai dau o parere pe topicul asta .
Cateva informatii adunate sper sa ajute si sa nu creeze discutii gresite ,ar fi frumos sa ne putem ajuta cu adevarat ....

Adi vezi ca un soft acceptabil si sunt sigur ca te-ar satisface este EDS stage 2 ,care il gasesti la userul "Calibra " cu siguranta il stii pe Adi ,la un pret ok .In rest ai mare grija cu ce cumperi ,stiu ca inca un soft mai vindea si Salfkm ,


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Introduction
The aim of this guide is to provide an insight into the world of tuning the C20LET engine found in Calibra Turbos. The engine is on the whole very strong, with some good fundamental design characteristics. That said, there are several components that are either badly designed or restricting when you want more power.

This guide has excluded nitrous oxide as it circumvents several traditional tuning requirements (ie a standard KKK16 cannot produce more than about 300bhp without silly EGT, except when using nitrous). A further guide may follow. However, it must be said that nitrous is a very effective way of adding horsepower to any of the below setups instead of other expensive upgrades!

Any questions just ask!

Before you begin
Make sure your engine is serviced. No matter how much boost you run, no matter how many trick parts you have... you will produce LESS power than you should be if your engine is not serviced.

Make sure your plugs are in good condition and gapped correctly. Inspect and test your leads. Fit a new genuine Bosch rotor arm and distributor cap. Check the voltage at your fuel pump and make sure your cambelt, rollers, fuel filter and water pump are not due a change. Also make sure your actuator can hold the amount of boost you are wanting to create. Get a boost gauge too, and better still a wideband AFR

Stage 1, 200-250bhp, under £150
- A set of basic EDS or Vmax chips to raise the boost pressure
- Adjusted actuator to increase boost
- Regapped spark plugs if needed

Stage 2, 250-300bhp, £400-£1,000
- A set of EDS phase 2 / Vmax Evo 5 chips
- Increased fuelling from a different/adjustable FPR, and/or different injectors
- Plugs gapped to .7mm (std RS Turbo plugs are good, or NGK-BCP7EVX)
- Adjusted actuator to increase boost
- Front mount intercooler
- Upgraded AFM to turbo hose
- C20XE inlet cam (optional, but good)
- Enlarged tophat (optional, but good)
- 2.5" boost pipes (optional)

Notes: This is the best value for money level of tune for a C20LET. Big power output (270bhp+ usually) for not a lot of money. Beyond this power level you have to spend a LOT more money for smaller gains.

Stage 3 300-400bhp, £2500-£10,000
Management options
1. High level, off the shelf phase chips
Retains factory loom and ECU
No mapping needed
Chips not tailored to your compression ratio, turbo size, cam spec

2. Live mapped motronic ECU
Retains factory loom, ECU, sensors and software like cold start map
Mapped to your individual spec
Cheaper than standalone management
Not many places can live map motronic
No extra features of standalone
Needs remapping if you change your spec

3. Standalone engine management
Ultimate flexibility. Extra functions like anti-lag, launch control, nitrous control
Extra reliability of new loom
Pub bragging rights
Expensive
Your may be limited to brands based on what your preferred tuner can map

- Increased fuelling from a different/adjustable FPR, and/or different injectors
- Upgraded fuel pump

- Tubular exhaust manifold
- Upgraded turbo and actuator
- 3" downpipe and exhaust system
- Large front mount intercooler
- Silicone or metal boost pipework
- C20XE inlet cam
- Enlarged tophat
- Gasflowed cylinder head (optional)
- Fresh rebore to 86.5mm or 87mm (optional)
- 3" boost pipes throughout (optional)

Plus for reliability you NEED:
- ARP conrod bolts as a minimum, preferrably steel conrods
- Under piston oil squirters

Optional to improve reliability:
- Upgraded oil pump
- Bronze valve guides
- Solid lifters
- Blueprinted block and head
- Head stud conversion kit

Stage 4 400bhp+ £10,000+++
Management options
1. Live mapped motronic ECU
Retains factory loom, ECU, sensors and software like cold start map
Mapped to your individual spec
Cheaper than standalone management
Not many places can live map motronic
No extra features of standalone
Needs remapping if you change your spec

2. Standalone engine management
Ultimate flexibility. Extra functions like anti-lag, launch control, nitrous control
Extra reliability of new loom
Pub bragging rights
Expensive
Your may be limited to brands based on what your preferred tuner can map
- Tubular exhaust manifold
- Upgraded turbo and actuator
- 3"+ downpipe and exhaust
- Upgraded inlet manifold, large aftermarket throttle body, 3" boost pipes
- Extensively worked cylinder head
- Both C20XE cams, or aftermarket cams
- Vernier pulleys
- Fresh rebore to 86.5mm or 87mm (optional)
- Oversized valves (optional)
- External wastegate (optional)

Plus for reliability you NEED:
- Cometic headgasket (ensure mating faces are 100% flat)
- Upgraded oil pump
- Bronze valve guides
- Solid lifters
- Steel conrods
- Mains girdle (you could use an ecotec block for this)

Optional to improve reliability:
- New standard or upgraded engine mounts
- One piece steel valves
- Steel caps, double valve springs
- Blueprinted, balanced, destressed block, brand new pumps, belts, tensioners, seals etc...
- Head stud conversion kit
- Steel crank with ARP mains
- Dry sump conversion, or fully baffled sump

Did you notice?
The HUGE amount of modifications that are either essential or preferrable over around 300bhp. This is the big step at which several upgrades are needed, for diminishing returns.

Modifications to avoid
Any induction kit that is not in a sealed airbox
"Hybrid turbos" "Stage X" turbos using the standard cast manifold
Superchips, starchips, unichips
Electric superchargers
Resistor mods
ANY aftermarket ignition leads. Standard Beru ones are amazing quality. Possible exception to this is Magnecore

It's also worth noting that the standard forged Mahle pistons are extremely strong, and don't suffer from needing large piston to bore clearances like many aftermarket forged pistons do. If they are undamaged or new there is no need to replace them. Qrew will be running an estimated 700bhp on factory pistons. Likewise the factory crank, F28 gearbox and cylinder head are all very strong and capable items.

Any questions feel free to ask! Hopefully I have covered most areas without mistakes
Further reading
www.max-boost.co.uk
www.migweb.co.uk
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Old 19-03-12, 20:51   #137
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in nici un caz,numi voi lua eds...ceea ce am gasit,merge la baiat pe masina de foarte mult timp,si nu are nici o problema,ma gandesc daca il voi ;lua sau nu
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Old 19-03-12, 22:47   #138
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Pai dc zici ca nu vei mai lu-a eds??? ai avut si ti-a facut probleme ,stiu ca lumea a avut mari probleme cu eds dar nu cu stage 2 .sunt multi care merg de multa vreme pe eds 2 si e ok .

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Old 20-03-12, 07:07   #139
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Chestia cu softurile de la EDS este ca cele care sunt copii cam fac probleme intradevar,insa cu un soft EDS original si cu modificarile corecte aferente softului nu ar trebui sa fie nici o problema.Eu am avut EDS faza 2 original si am mers mult timp cu el fara sa am nici un fel de problema cu el,l-am vandut pt ca mi-am luat altceva,nicidecum ca nu ar fi fost bun sau alte chestii de acest gen.La mine de exemplu cu exact acelasi soft de la EDS faza 2 dar copie(nu original) nici macar nu imi pornea motorul,deci cred ca se adevereste ceea ce am spus mai sus legat de softurile EDS dar copiile....

Indiferent de ce soft se alege,eu recomand schimbarea injectoarelor,un intercooler decent sa fie pe masina,o evacuare buna,aprinderea sa fie ok,bujii cu un grad mai reci si un kit wideband,astfel poti sa vezi si sa iti dai seama daca e ok amestecul aer benzina sau nu,multe motoare se strica din cauza ca se topesc pistoanele,asta pt ca AFR-ul nu este corect si nu este monitorizat
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Old 20-03-12, 07:40   #140
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Ansamblati motoarele astea din bucati sh, adaugati chipuri de 20E(fake) si dupa invinuiti EDS-ul. Bun asa...
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Old 20-03-12, 12:09   #141
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Nota moderator: Pe viitor, incearca sa fii coerent in comentarii si sa nu mai faultezi limba romana. Multumesc!

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Old 03-03-13, 20:16   #142
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Si ceva de la CT pe care il cunoasteti bine cred , care estimeaza la 350CP sau mai bine, un prieten pe care am avut ocazia sa montez intreaga instalatie de ABS deoarece masina(espero)pe care o avea nu era dotata cu asa ceva...
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Old 08-03-13, 21:35   #143
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Se estimeaza, dar facem pariu pe.un cico ca nu.i face? ....cel putin nu cu ce se vede acolo..
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Old 14-03-13, 14:08   #144
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Se estimeaza, dar facem pariu pe.un cico ca nu.i face? ....cel putin nu cu ce se vede acolo..
sunt de acord cu tine !
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Old 27-05-13, 20:46   #145
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Inca unul tot din CT...
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sunt de acord cu tine !
posibil,,,

cateva poze cu turbina si de unde este achizitionata

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Old 02-06-13, 02:11   #147
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posibil,,,

cateva poze cu turbina si de unde este achizitionata

http://www.precisionturbo.net/contact/
Sper doar sa ma insel din poze,insa pe cilindrul 3 este cumva vizibil mai scurt traseul de evacuare?
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