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Old 31-10-07, 23:21   #781
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A compara noul M3 cu vechiul nu e chiar ortodox pt ca e clar ca s-a vrut si obtinut mai mult.
BMW e o firma mica care se respecta si tine la placerea clientilor sai.
Intre M3, M5 si M6 sunt mari diferente, eu unul nu o sa vreau o masina atat de mare ca un M6 sa fie sport si M5 e prea de familie fiind cu greuti de cca 1800kg. Am mers cu M5 si nu mi se pare mai rapid ca un M3 chiar deloc dimpotriva e chiar ceva mai lent.
Pe circuit ordnea a fost m3, m6 si apoi m5 care are ceva probleme cu tinuta de drum din cauza masei, iar la noul M3 s-a facut special ingreunare arificiala pentru a duce centrul de greutate jos, f jos si cat mai spre centrul masinii, fapt de altfel reusit obtinund se pare cea mai echilibrqata masina de serie din lume...
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Old 01-11-07, 02:03   #782
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nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! inca un M care nu se ridica la asteptari ?? dezamagire mare cu M5 daca e asa cum zici (si nu am de ce sa nu te cred)

Dar poate deasta aici sunt pline drumurile de 650 si M6, si seria 5, mai ales M5, sunt cam la fel de rare care ferrariurile si porsche-urile... avem o gramada de 360 si 430, cat si o tona de 911-uri, dar chiar nu vad M5-uri decat din an in paste.... cred ca am vazut mai multe lamborghini decat M5-uri daca stau sa ma gandesc....

in fine, acum m-ai facut sa salivez la gandul ca contra noului M3 o sa fie o cursa cat de cat mai apropiata. Nu-mi fac iluzii despre a castiga pe circuit, desi si tartareaza mea se tine acceptabil in curbe, dar macar pe linie dreapta sa-l duc pe sofer putin la exasperare
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Old 01-11-07, 06:23   #783
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Nu nu e dezamagire un M5 e chiar f misto si asta, dar depinde de ce ai nevoie si in ulimul rand de gusturi.
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hai sa fiu si eu putin off-topic....vreau un sfat.intre un m3 si un carrera 911 turbo ce ati alege?intreb asta ca daca reusesc sa vand rs-ul ma bate gandul la un 911 turbo....
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nu cred ca incape discutie aici ca porsche e regele suprem

toate drumurile duc la porsche...proprietarii de M-uri tind la porsche ca next car ma rog depinde ce m si ce 911 turbo...daca e m-ul nou si turbo modelul vechi etc si depinde daca vrei rwd sau awd
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Eu as alege 911 turbo indiferent daca ar fi vorba de 997 (cel nou) sau 996 , pentru ca sunt mai rapide, iar totusi vorbim de un porsche de top. Avand in vedere ca si RS-ul era 4x4 cred ca iti va oferi o reala placere la condus. Acum depinde, daca vrei sa treci pe RWD cred ca m3-ul este o masina care merita.

Ontopic : In sfarsit un clip mai edificativ , vizionare placuta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axb19DwhqUk
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glumesti nu?? Lista oficiala de timpi de la Nurburgring:


# 6:49 - BMW M3-GTR (race car on slicks), 480 PS/1100kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
# 6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
# 7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
# 7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 11/05)
# 7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, de:Patrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
# 7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 12/04)
# 7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)
# 7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
# 7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority)
# 7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1432 kg (Gemballa)
# 7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
# 7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
# 7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
# 7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
# 7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
# 7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
# 7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
# 7.429 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)
# 7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
# 7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
# 7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
# 7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres) [citation needed]
# 7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
# 7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)
# 7:49 - Helmut Dähne, Honda VFR750R
# 7:50 - Fausto "Faustone" Severi RSV1000R vs GSXR1000 Dähne (SuperWheels's Pattuglia Acrobatica 2002)
# 7:50 - Westfield Megabusa, 180 PS/440 kg [citation needed]
# 7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
# 7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
# 7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)

BMW M3 CSL nici nu se apropie de aceeasi liga.. sigur, masina lor de curse e ce-a mai rapida, dar aia e masina de curse topul listei e umplut de porsche

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7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine,
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05) www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/supertest/hxcms_article_500696_14469.hbs
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 06/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=126501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPvBu...e=user&search=
7:55* -- 156.126 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal)(*mfr.)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../71017001/1065
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- AC Schnitzer Tension, 552 PS/1797 kg (sport auto 04/07), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=1&tID=123445
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/9
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R (*free of the speed limiter standard on UK versions, so it was discounted)
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/228511/
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf

8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:01.84 153.984 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder, 520 PS/1760 kg, http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...rtikel_seite=1
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Audi R8, 420 PS/1595 kg (sport auto 07/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=133046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCTb6...e=user&search=
8:03 --- 153.519 km/h -- BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg, Horst von Saurma, provisional entry
8:03.86 153.519 km/h -- Honda NSX https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:06.2 - 152.589 km/h -- Caterham Superlight R http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/228511/
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/9
8:07.76 152.041 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:08.62 151.774 km/h -- HGP Golf R32 Turbo Stufe 3, 495 PS/1660 kg, http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=14071
8:08.73 151.875 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)


pentru o masina de 360 HP...
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nu cred ca incape discutie aici ca porsche e regele suprem

toate drumurile duc la porsche...proprietarii de M-uri tind la porsche ca next car ma rog depinde ce m si ce 911 turbo...daca e m-ul nou si turbo modelul vechi etc si depinde daca vrei rwd sau awd
Corect, mi-ar placea un Porsche 911 GT2 sau 911 Turbo. Intr-adevar sunt superbe...
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Corect, mi-ar placea un Porsche 911 GT2 sau 911 Turbo. Intr-adevar sunt superbe...
daca tot o dam in lambada fie....clar ca as opta pentru un gt2 poate chiar si inaintea unui f430 scuderia dar e multi bani.asa ca turbo e mai ''acceptabil''.comparatia mea ar fi fost intre m3-ul nou si turbo 996 deci nu 997 pentru ca si cel din urma sare de 100000 lejer.
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GT2 is the shit...

@mario : masina aia de 360 de cai e o capodopera normal sa fie asa jmechera cand au redus tot ce se putea din ea si in nici un caz nu e o masina de strada cum sunt restul de sub ea...scaune de 2kg si fara sa-ti pui bagaje in portbagaj s.a.m.d. sunt niste minusuri mari dar evident ca nu cumperi m csl pt a merge la piata sau la mare...e o masina senzationala dar deloc practica
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hai sa fiu si eu putin off-topic....vreau un sfat.intre un m3 si un carrera 911 turbo ce ati alege?intreb asta ca daca reusesc sa vand rs-ul ma bate gandul la un 911 turbo....
997 turbo fara doar si poate.... M-uri sunt pe toate drumurile, si bmw nu are nimic in arsenal care sa se apropie macar de un porsche turbo. daca ai banii, (si inca o masina de zi de zi pentru iarna ) eu zic sa nu mai stai pe ganduri...

poate in romania, nici nu ai nevoie de o a doua masina, ca acolo nu prea ninge asa de mult... am un vecin care merege cu carrera lui tot anul, in afara zilelor cand ninge sau deabia a nins... cum s-au uscat soselele dupa o ninsoare, e din nou cu ea pe strada, chiar daca pe strazile mici mai e gheata, sau daca afara e -30C il respect foarte mult pentru asta, ca nu-si lasa jucaria sa putrezeasca sub o husa, si o foloseste din plin! vecinul meu de alaturi are un corvette, si in doi ani nu l-am vazut sa mearga cu el... din cand in cand il mai porneste nitel in garaj, si RAR vad garajul deschis si masina lipsind... atat de rar, incat inca nu l-am vazut IN masina, doar am vazut masina ne fiind acolo, si aparand inapoi dupa un timp.....fraier
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pentru o masina de 360 HP...

da, dar M3-ul de baza are numai 330 de cai, deci probabil era o versiune modificata... daca te uiti cu atentie, ca nici eu nu observasem prima data, unele masini sunt pe lista de mai multe ori, deci tre sa fi nitel atent pana dai de aia "stoc"...

si la chestia ca RS4 e awd..... nu e si 996 turbo awd? sau asta e ceva nou la 997?
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in state are 330 in europa 343 si ceva in plus iar csl 360 fiind mai usoara si bine echilibrata dar nu cu scaune de 2kg, mai usoare dar nu chiar atat de usoare.
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hai sa fiu si eu putin off-topic....vreau un sfat.intre un m3 si un carrera 911 turbo ce ati alege?intreb asta ca daca reusesc sa vand rs-ul ma bate gandul la un 911 turbo....
As alege GT2 dar astea costa cam dublu lui m3 si nu au asa o buna utilitate.
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da, dar M3-ul de baza are numai 330 de cai, deci probabil era o versiune modificata... daca te uiti cu atentie, ca nici eu nu observasem prima data, unele masini sunt pe lista de mai multe ori, deci tre sa fi nitel atent pana dai de aia "stoc"...

si la chestia ca RS4 e awd..... nu e si 996 turbo awd? sau asta e ceva nou la 997?
si 996 e awd.
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