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View Poll Results: Motorul carei masini il considerati ca avand potential mai mare de tuning ?
Focus ST 44 61.11%
Seat CUPRA 28 38.89%
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Old 04-08-08, 22:21   #16
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pai normal ca unu 4x4 e avantajat...pe curbe...eu zic ca si inaintea unui RWD... de aia la WRC exista 4x4
niciodata!!! Atunci ar fi fost si bolidele de f1 awd. Doar pe macadam integralul e avantajat sau in cazul unei aderente nu f bune. In conditii de aderenta f buna tractiunea spate este peste integrala.
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Old 04-08-08, 23:09   #17
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Eu unul as alege e focusul din pricina motorului 2.5 .
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Old 05-08-08, 08:05   #18
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niciodata!!! Atunci ar fi fost si bolidele de f1 awd. Doar pe macadam integralul e avantajat sau in cazul unei aderente nu f bune. In conditii de aderenta f buna tractiunea spate este peste integrala.
nu cred ca tu ai mers cu un 4x4 veritabil pe curbe si cu un rwd sau fwd....
fa calcul cum se impart fortele intre cele 4 roti pe curbe.

4x4 nu ma refer la "gip"...

f1 inseamna mai mult acceleratii, inseamna altceva.
in demaraje da, rwd este avantajata din mers. dar pe curbe...4x4 este peste rwd. nu iti dai seama ca intr-un viraj trag si rotile fata si imping si alea spate?

fizica asta.... de ce crezi ca din ce in ce mai multe masini sport au 4x4?
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Old 05-08-08, 08:22   #19
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si daca e GTI ce are? a iesit una dintre cele mai bune hatchuri.
cand imi cumpar o masina vreau ceva cu personalitate, care sa reprezinte marca, ori ceea ce este leon in momentul de fata este un vw golf cu alta caroserie.
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Old 05-08-08, 09:06   #20
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si cu 40 de cai in plus, cu alta turbina care urca lejer la 280 de cai , injectoare....si fuge de manaca pamantul, frane mai mari....si alte cateva amanunte...

orice seat/skoda poate fi luat ca un golf dar cu alta caroserie. privetse partea buna a lucrurilor. SEAT ca tehnologie si pret este sub VW. deci beneficiezi de un VW la pret de SEAT.
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Old 05-08-08, 17:38   #21
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niciodata!!! Atunci ar fi fost si bolidele de f1 awd. Doar pe macadam integralul e avantajat sau in cazul unei aderente nu f bune. In conditii de aderenta f buna tractiunea spate este peste integrala.
...e cu totul alta mancare de peste formula 1 cu raliul...tinad cont ce garzi la sol au msinile de f1 si ce dimensiuni au rotile,si tinad cont de celelalte multe aspecte ale acestor masini,nici nu e nevoie de awd...
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Old 05-08-08, 18:16   #22
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Cateva poze si detalii tehnice cu motorul de pe ST, cine vrea mai multe, PM me:

1. The cylinder bores of the Ford Focus ST’s engine block and in a so-called ‘open deck’ design.
Its powerful stiffening ribs attest to the marked stability of the entire construction

2. Hydraulic adjusters inside the drive wheels of both overhead camshafts can be continuously finetuned
by 50 degrees onthe intake side and by 30 degrees on the outlet side. This results in the engine’s broad power
band and low emissions

3. The lower ends of the Focus ST engine's five forged-steel piston rods carry an extremely light forged piston with a graphited shaft

4. The overhead camshafts have extremely tame valve timings for a turbo-charged sports engine. This supports the well-balanced, every day usability of the engine,
for example in the breadth of the rev band in which maximum torque is available

5. In combination with the compact combustion chamber the smooth piston head ensures a quick combustion process 6. The hallmark of thisintricate engine design
is the forged steel crankshaft fitted with ten counterweights. This allows enormous yet smooth power developmentand running

7. The turbo charger from Kühnle, Kausch and Kopp is contained within a single, integrated unit8. For all its power, the Ford ST´s engine only needs a mild 0.65 bar of turbo
pressure. Combined with a reduced 9:1 compression ratio it ensures high efficiency and good economy

9. Second-order inertial forces have been successfully cancelled out by two counterweights on each of the crankshaft’s pins

10. The crankshaft bearings are fitted inot a ladder frame which is screwed onot the crankcase
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Seatul suporta mai bine micile si marile COSMETIZARI la motor si subansamble .... Dar Focus-ul parca arata mai bine si agresiv .... si totusi merg pe seat
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nu cred ca tu ai mers cu un 4x4 veritabil pe curbe si cu un rwd sau fwd....
fa calcul cum se impart fortele intre cele 4 roti pe curbe.

4x4 nu ma refer la "gip"...

f1 inseamna mai mult acceleratii, inseamna altceva.
in demaraje da, rwd este avantajata din mers. dar pe curbe...4x4 este peste rwd. nu iti dai seama ca intr-un viraj trag si rotile fata si imping si alea spate?

fizica asta.... de ce crezi ca din ce in ce mai multe masini sport au 4x4?
Fizica asta...habar nu ai ca tractiunea integrala este subviratoare. Fata tinde sa iasa in exterior. Credema ca am condus integrale puternice deci stai relax. Niciodata o integrala nu o sa stea pe curbe ca si o tractiune spate. Absolut niciodata.
p.s. tractiune integrala-incepatori
tractiune spate-cunoscatori
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Old 06-08-08, 22:29   #25
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Seatul suporta mai bine micile si marile COSMETIZARI la motor si subansamble .... Dar Focus-ul parca arata mai bine si agresiv .... si totusi merg pe seat
Focusul arata mai bine, e mai agresiv si suporta si mai bine COSMETIZARI la motor, are interiorul mult mai misto finisat decat plasticaraia aia infecta din Seat si in plus e si mai ieftin. Si eu ca si tine am avut masini VAG inaite si nu as mai lua vreodata.
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Fizica asta...habar nu ai ca tractiunea integrala este subviratoare. Fata tinde sa iasa in exterior. Credema ca am condus integrale puternice deci stai relax. Niciodata o integrala nu o sa stea pe curbe ca si o tractiune spate. Absolut niciodata.
p.s. tractiune integrala-incepatori
tractiune spate-cunoscatori
da...adevarul ca X ul de la BMW asa se va comporta. e clar . esti | | cu condusul. de aia STI, EVO "sunt" RWD.... de asta cand a fost bagat quattro in raliuri a facut senzatie. cand castiga raliul monte carlo...
mai continua asa..ca devii amuzant.

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Old 07-08-08, 12:16   #27
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zapinstein - Man te rog daca mai ai date despre ST sa le pui aici dar in romana te rog pt ca ma cam depasesc termenii tehnici. MERCI
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Old 07-08-08, 14:46   #28
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da...adevarul ca X ul de la BMW asa se va comporta. e clar . esti | | cu condusul. de aia STI, EVO "sunt" RWD.... de asta cand a fost bagat quattro in raliuri a facut senzatie. cand castiga raliul monte carlo...
mai continua asa..ca devii amuzant.
Si care masini 4x4 (din acea grupa B rally-car) erau egale pe circuit cu bolizii de Formula1 contemporani lor.Toivonen a facut probe la Estoril (cu Lancia Delta S4) in weekendul cand era etapa de Formula 1, cu cateva ore inaintea inceperii calificarilor (asta in '86).Se pare ca S4 era nu numai capabila de 0-100km/h in 2.3s pe macadam, dar si de top speed consistent si de manevrabilitate buna.Timpul scos de el ar fi intrat pe locul 6 pe grila de start intre bolizii de acolo.Nigel Mansel a probat si el un Peugeot205 T16 Group B, tot acolo pe circuit si a constatat cu uimire ca accelereaza chiar putin mai bine decat bolidul sau de F1.
In fine...a fost un pic de off-topic...intr-adevar, masinile rwd au fost folosite la inceput in raliuri, gen Lancia037, care a fost rapid depasita de masini awd gen Ford Rs200, Peugeot205 T16, Audi S1 si S2, Lancia Delta S4...
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