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[alexGTI]

Originally Posted by xxdadixx

Nu m-am gandit atat timp cat Audi e divizia de lux de la Volkswagen iar firma mama se numeste Volkswagen AG.
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Four new model architectures part of 10-year plan to become world's biggest car maker.
The Volkswagen Group is planning to overtake Toyota, the world's biggest car maker, as part of a 10-year plan that will see the majority of new Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda and Seat models - possibly even some Porsches, Bentleys, Lamborghinis and Bugattis - adopt one of four mechanical platforms.
The four new model architectures are for compact rear-engined city cars (MHB), small to midsized transverse-engined family cars (MQB), mid-engined sports cars, and larger longitudinal-engined cars (MLB).
According to a report in Automotive News yesterday, those four architectures could allow the VW Group to almost double its volume by 2018, to reduce model development times by up to a year, and to reduce costs by between 25- and 40 per cent. Here's what's known about each of them right now.

'MHB' to underpin smallest models
Volkswagen's smallest new platform will form the basis of its forthcoming family of rear-engined Up! city cars but, as Autocar has learned, it will also serve underneath a new Seat city car known as the Ros, after the firm's Arosa city car.
There is considerable scope for it also to be used to engineer a bargain basement Skoda model, given the Czech brand's reputation for value for money. Industry experts will be keeping an eye out for a concept car at one of Europe's motor shows next year.
As the cheapest of VW's four platforms, it's also likely to play an important role in the groups' expansion into developing markets.
From Fabia to Bolero, via Audi's new A1: 'MQB'
VW's next platform up will become its most ubiquitous ever. It's codenamed 'MQB' and will allow VW to engineer a variety of different front, transverse-engined, front-wheel drive cars using the same starting point.
The models themselves will span several segments, varying in size from the next VW Polo and Skoda Fabia at the smaller end, up to the next VW Passat and Seat Bolero. They will differ in concept as widely as the sixth generation VW Golf and the next Audi TT, and the inherent flexibility within the platform will allow manufacturers to vary wheelbase, track width, overall height and seating position.
All 'MQB' products, however, will share components, manufacturing processes, and primarily the positioning of the engine, front axle and pedal box will be the same in all. The first to appear is likely to be the Audi A1, in 2010.
VW's mid-engined sports car platform
Next in the scale is a new platform for mid-engined sports cars which the VW Group is currently developing. The internal codename for this project has been kept a secret, but Autocar understands that the project is borne out of the desire to be able to make cars as distantly separated as the Porsche Boxster and Lamborghini Gallardo more easily and more profitably.
According to our information, the next Porsche Boxster and Cayman will use this new model architecture, as will a smaller mid-engined sibling for the Audi R8, called the R4.
If it's sufficiently adaptable, the new mid-engined platform could also be farmed out to both Lamborghini and Bugatti. Watch this space to read more on the project.
Top of the pile: 'MLB'
The VW Group's largest new platform will allow it to develop the next Audi A6, the new VW Phaeton, the next Bentley Continental GT and anything in between. It allows engines to be positioned longitudinally in the engine bay, and for power to be channelled to all four wheels, and is already serving under the new Audi A4 and A5.
New platforms, new models
As well as fathering replacements for the models we already know, these four model architectures will streamline development processes, and make it easier and cheaper for VW to bring all-new models to the road.
The means we're going to see even more niche models from the group that recently gave us the VW Tiguan and Audi R8. We're already expecting more offroaders and a premium supermini from Audi, a compact coupe from Seat, and both a small 4x4 and a large crossover from Skoda in the coming years. It seems those models are only the tip of the iceberg.

pai platforma e comuna dar restul este individual pe fiecare marca in parte ...
si apropo care e legatura cu bmw ?

[xxdadixx]

Originally Posted by alexGTI

pai platforma e comuna dar restul este individual pe fiecare marca in parte ...
si apropo care e legatura cu bmw ?

Ce e individual? Siglele de pe capota si designul? Motorul si sasiul in nici un caz.
Ce ziceam mai sus, aceleasi Volkswagene machiate si vandute la pret de premium pe care noi le comparam cu BMW-ul in topicul asta.

[alexGTI]

Originally Posted by xxdadixx

Ce e individual? Siglele de pe capota si designul? Motorul si sasiul in nici un caz.
Ce ziceam mai sus, aceleasi Volkswagene machiate si vandute la pret de premium pe care noi le comparam cu BMW-ul in topicul asta.

pai unde sunt mai multi la un loc inseamna ca e mai multa experienta
nu e chiar cum zici tu ... vw machiat.
eu am un vw, dar conduc si audi zilnic ... si exista o diferenta destul de mare.
dar in fine ... ce sa ii explic eu unei persoane care in afara de bmw nu vede altceva ...

P.S. r8 ce e ? un eos pus invers nu ?
Si Phaeton a iesit inainte de A8 ...
Si A5 defapt e un Corrado ...

[DMIHNEA]

In definitiv nu iau bani sa promovez calitatea sau alte atribute ale unor masini....deci nu merita sa uzam tastele ptr un topic ce tzine de gusturi si grad de informare,un topic ce nu are sfirshit....fiecare cumpara ce vrea

[bluey]

Originally Posted by xxdadixx

Tinand cont ca Audi-ul tau imparte aceeasi platforma si motorizare cu Golf 5 oricie posesor de A3 s-ar simti bine ca nu are un BMW.
Una peste alta, VW planuieste sa devina lider mondial si sa surclaseze Toyota. Cum: cu 4 platforme comune incepand cu noul A1. Prin urmare aceleasi Volkswagene machiate si vandute la pret de premium.

Nu vad legatura intre G5-A3 si bmw.
A3 8P a aparut inaintea lui G5 cu 2 ani.
Cat despre mine....
Eu stau linistit ca se vand de 4 ori mai multe 2.0TDI decat 320d.
Pot sa ma exprim in privinta acestui thread??
Este de-a dreptul idiot si generator de flame-uri din start.
Si oricum Audi este naspa si nu se poate compara cu bmw asa ca de ce a fost initiat acest topic???
Stim cu totii ca nu exista decat bmw ca masina.
Initiatorul topicului este fan bmw.De ce tocmai Audi vs bmw??
De ce nu Merc vs bmw?
De ce nu Honda vs bmw???
Sau Toyota vs bmw....

L.E.
Se scrie "poll" si toti copii de 14 ani ar vota bemve rulzz

[bluey]

Originally Posted by TURBOSS

nu este o departajare covarsitoare, dar x este mai performant!

Bineinteles.
Doar este de la bmw nu???
O curiozitate totusi...
E posibil ca X sa nu faca fata la 500cp???
De ce nu scoate bmw care este un brand atat de maret si grandios o masina care sa faca fata la masinile cu 4X4 sport???
Adica nu au nimic care sa se bata cu wrx sau cu evo.
Nu ma ridic cu pretentii de motor 2.0L turbo pe care il au toate firmele in oferte de la Renault pana la Mitsubishi.
O masina cu integrala care sa fie legenda.
Cum a fost M candva.

[alexGTI]

Originally Posted by bluey

Cum a fost M candva.

10 puncte de la mine

[vacaroz]

Originally Posted by bluey

Bineinteles.
Doar este de la bmw nu???
O curiozitate totusi...
E posibil ca X sa nu faca fata la 500cp???
De ce nu scoate bmw care este un brand atat de maret si grandios o masina care sa faca fata la masinile cu 4X4 sport???
Adica nu au nimic care sa se bata cu wrx sau cu evo.
Nu ma ridic cu pretentii de motor 2.0L turbo pe care il au toate firmele in oferte de la Renault pana la Mitsubishi.
O masina cu integrala care sa fie legenda.
Cum a fost M candva.

sa fim seriososi... integrala nu mai e o raritate.au pus ce de la bmw pe masini destul de puternice, sigur puteau si pe M.poate ca au mers pe traditie

[Cristy65]

Originally Posted by vacaroz

sa fim seriososi... integrala nu mai e o raritate.au pus ce de la bmw pe masini destul de puternice, sigur puteau si pe M.poate ca au mers pe traditie

daca au pus pe 530xd nu inseamna ca se poate si pe M.totusi is vreo 200 de cp diferenta si 4 cilindrii in plus

[bluey]

Originally Posted by vacaroz

sa fim seriososi... integrala nu mai e o raritate.au pus ce de la bmw pe masini destul de puternice, sigur puteau si pe M.poate ca au mers pe traditie

Nu ma gandeam la un M 4X4.Ci la o masina puternica cu 4x4.
Cred ca X5 e singurul care are vreo 400cp si X.

[blazeyblaze]

si un x-drive extrem de prost de altfel pe x5

[vacaroz]

Originally Posted by bluey

Nu ma gandeam la un M 4X4.Ci la o masina puternica cu 4x4.
Cred ca X5 e singurul care are vreo 400cp si X.

400 cp sunt ceva, e o masina grea si cu un cuplu mare, ce te face sa crezi ca ina 150 cp nu mai mergeau?

si un x-drive extrem de prost de altfel pe x5

poti sa spui u cu mana pe inima ca exista vreo tractiune integrala aproape perfecta care sa`ti reziste si dupa 20 de ani?

[naka66vio]

nu iau partea la nici unu.clar bmw este peste audi fara indoiala la toate capitolele.dar ambele au modele bune si rele.mclaren are mot bmw,bugaty tehnologia fsi a grupului vag.parti proaste au ambele.eu am avut un e 46 316 1.9 si vreau sa zic ca e un ot de kk consuma enorm .dar calitatea bmw e altceva multe clase mai sus.in bmw totul iti este la indemana e masina facuta pt sofer si pasagerii din ea cu mult cap.eu votez bmw pe orice plan

[Nemilosu]

[QUOTE=vacaroz;1593690]400 cp sunt ceva, e o masina grea si cu un cuplu mare, ce te face sa crezi ca ina 150 cp nu mai mergeau?

si un x-drive extrem de prost de altfel pe x5

poti sa spui u cu mana pe inima ca exista vreo tractiune integrala aproape perfecta care sa`ti reziste si dupa 20 de ani?[/QUOTE]

da.
a mea e din '88 si merge ca focul.
quattro adevarat, d-ala full mecanic fara electronice si alte nebunii.

[zGb]

Originally Posted by zGb

vazusem filmuletul asta pe break.com acum cateva luni si uitasem complet de el dar l-am regasit din intamplare pe forum la noi....

http://www.**************/stiri/video...kmh-11141.html

...bmw-istii?

am postat asta acum 5 pagini...sa inteleg ca fanii "bmw rulz" n-au nimic pertinent de zis...tacerea lor spune multe

@bara : word!!