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View Poll Results: Care sunt preferatele tale?
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1. Japoneze
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2. Europene
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29-10-04, 16:02
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japonezele sunt mult mai accesibile zic eu. cu tot cu taxe cred ca e mai usor sa-ti iei una japoneza tare decat un monstru sacru ca ferrari. eu sunt pentru japoneze in pentru ca sunt mai pamantene ca sa zic asa. cand discutam de ferrari nu mai discutam de masina de \"condus\" ci de masina de trait. fara suparare, pt cel care a zis ca la astea japoneze cum apar noi modele cum tehnologia din motor este mai dezvoltata, te-ai uitat ce poate 460 modena, ce tehnologie e acolo, tehnologie care doar la f1 mai este.
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29-10-04, 16:23
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Originally Posted by \"catalin rs4\"
deci stiu unu galben...la nr ..cu flr..arata...ca si in gt2 la optika...dar ii un carrera..normal..cu 300 cp.  |
asta are fld , sry ca am zis ,dar , cam tot aia e , nush daca-s 2 in buc .... poate ai incurcat flr , cu fld, bine si flr-u cam tot asa arata :P
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29-10-04, 16:36
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asai ai dreptate..fld..nu flr  nu mai staim excat..si ii spun 100%...ca nui gt2 ii uncarrera frumos facut...gt2 nui automatic..si franele.bla bla..sunt mai multe detali care nu sar din prima in ochi.. 
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02-11-04, 09:03
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#34
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Exact asta e ! A trecut intr`o noapte pe Titulescu si mi`a sters privirea... dar daca il stiti mai bine va cred. E frumos tare facut, si mai si suna intr`un mare fel.
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02-11-04, 09:36
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Bogdan_16v: nu te supara, dar in comparatia asta probl mentalitatii nu prea se pune. Oriunde in Europa (Franta, Italia, Germania, UK) sunt coplesitor mai multe masini europene, si mai ales de producatori locali, decat japoneze, si asta din motive de taxe, infrastructura si suport mult mai dezvoltat la prod locali, diferite politici fiscale de incurajare tot a prod locali, reclama, notorietate, patriotism etc. . In plus, preferintele celor peste 35 de ani (care sunt majoritatea cumparatorilor de masini) sunt mai mult dictate de ratiuni cuminti, familiale, decat de pasiunea pt sport extrem sau tuning. Am citit pe net ca in Germania ar fi circa 15-20 de Skyline... intr`un viitor o sa`i batem pe japonezi chiar noi in Europa de Vest, cu Loganu` 
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02-11-04, 13:05
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La numarul de masini de familie, japonezii sunt cam primii si in Europa...pt ca lumea acolo si-a dat seama ca sunt mult mai fiabile...am incurcat putin borcanele, ma referisem la oamneii care-si doresc masini obisnuite de familie...de asta ziceam ca la noi a ramas mentalitatea inca invechita...\"imi iau passat ca-i nemteasca si e buna\"...pe dracu...singura masina care mai tine pasul cat de cat cu fiabilitatea germana e Audi si aproape pe-acolo BMW...in rest, satisfactia consumatorilor la masinile japoneze normale este peste asteptari...
In schimb la masinile sport e alta poveste...taxele sunt peste masura de mari, intr-adevar, si e oarecum mai convenabil sa achizitionezi o masina din UE, nu numai din punct de vedere al taxelor, ci si al service-urilor...insa daca e sa facem o comparatie netinand cont de taxe, si mai luam in calcul si perormantele si posibilitatile de tuning, atunci avantajul apartine clar asiaticelor...
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03-11-04, 09:07
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Sorry de offtopic, da` nu`mi mai gasesc linistea:
catalin_rs4, mai da`ne detalii; de unde stii ca`i automatic ? de ce cineva ar investi bani intr`un GT2 look (ca masina arata EXACT a GT2 din toate pozitiile ) si butuc cu surub central + jante GT3 (oricum mai aratoase decat originalele) fara sa umble deloc sub capota ??? 
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03-11-04, 12:30
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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pt ca cunosc masina...si cunosc un gt2...cumtrebuie sa fie am vaszut masina..la mare...si la bucuresti..si cunosc pe cineva care il cunoaste pe tip..de la el am auzit..prima oara ca nui gt2 asa am crezut si eu la inceput...dece sa nu investeasca intrun lok gt2??si aici fac multi asa...mai ales gt3 optic..
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03-11-04, 13:05
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#39
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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porche asta mi-am belit si eu ochii un pik la el cand era la mare nice ...
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14-01-05, 19:24
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Perfromante la 280cp:
2002 Honda NSX-R:
Year 2002 Origin Not Available
Make Honda Base Price Not Available
Model NSX-R Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Mid Longitudinal Drive Wheels RWD w/LSD
Configuration C32B Inline-6 Curb Weight 1270 kg / 2800 lbs
Valvetrain Belt-Driven DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT Length 4430 mm / 174.4 in
Displacement 3179 cc / 194.0 cu in Width 1810 mm / 71.3 in
Power 206 kw / 276.2 bhp @ 7300 rpm Height 1160 mm / 45.7 in
Torque 304 nm / 224.2 ft lbs @ 5300 rpm Wheelbase 2530 mm / 99.6 in
Bore 93 mm / 3.66 in Front Track 1510 mm / 59.4 in
Stroke 78 mm / 3.07 in Rear Track 1540 mm / 60.6 in
Redline 8000 Steering Rack & Pinion
HP / Liter 86.88 bhp per litre Body / Frame Aluminum Monocoque w/Carbon Fib?er Hood
HP / Curb Weight 217.48 bhp per weight Front Brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS
Gear Type 6-Speed Manual Front Brake Size Not Available
1st Gear Ratio 3.066:1 Rear Brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 1.956:1 Rear Brake Size Not Available
3rd Gear Ratio 1.428:1 Front Wheels Not Available
4th Gear Ratio 1.125:1 Rear Wheels Not Available
5th Gear Ratio 0.914:1 Front Tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070
6th Gear Ratio 0.717:1 Rear Tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension Double Wishbones w/torion Bars,
Final Drive Ratio 4.235:1 Rear Suspension Not Available
Performance
Top Speed 280 kph / 174.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 4.7 seconds
0 - ¼ mile Not Available
0 - 100 mph 11.2 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Not Available
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14-01-05, 19:28
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Performante la 400cp AWD:
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 FQ400:
Engine
Type: Inline-4, Turbocharged
Displacement cu in (cc): 122 (1997)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 405(302) / 6800
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 355(481) / 5000
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/vented disc
Tires F-R: n.a.
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
Length × Width × Height in: 175.1 × 69 × 56.6
Weight lb (kg): n.a.
Performance
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: 3.5
Top Speed mph (km/h): 175 (282)
Fuel Economy EPA city/highway mpg (l/100 km): n.a.
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15-01-05, 03:58
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#42
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Stage 5
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"Bogdan_16v\"
Perfromante la 280cp:
2002 Honda NSX-R:
Year 2002 Origin Not Available
Make Honda Base Price Not Available
Model NSX-R Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Mid Longitudinal Drive Wheels RWD w/LSD
Configuration C32B Inline-6 Curb Weight 1270 kg / 2800 lbs
Valvetrain Belt-Driven DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT Length 4430 mm / 174.4 in
Displacement 3179 cc / 194.0 cu in Width 1810 mm / 71.3 in
Power 206 kw / 276.2 bhp @ 7300 rpm Height 1160 mm / 45.7 in
Torque 304 nm / 224.2 ft lbs @ 5300 rpm Wheelbase 2530 mm / 99.6 in
Bore 93 mm / 3.66 in Front Track 1510 mm / 59.4 in
Stroke 78 mm / 3.07 in Rear Track 1540 mm / 60.6 in
Redline 8000 Steering Rack & Pinion
HP / Liter 86.88 bhp per litre Body / Frame Aluminum Monocoque w/Carbon Fib?er Hood
HP / Curb Weight 217.48 bhp per weight Front Brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS
Gear Type 6-Speed Manual Front Brake Size Not Available
1st Gear Ratio 3.066:1 Rear Brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 1.956:1 Rear Brake Size Not Available
3rd Gear Ratio 1.428:1 Front Wheels Not Available
4th Gear Ratio 1.125:1 Rear Wheels Not Available
5th Gear Ratio 0.914:1 Front Tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070
6th Gear Ratio 0.717:1 Rear Tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension Double Wishbones w/torion Bars,
Final Drive Ratio 4.235:1 Rear Suspension Not Available
Performance
Top Speed 280 kph / 174.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 4.7 seconds
0 - ¼ mile Not Available
0 - 100 mph 11.2 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Not Available
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bogdane de unde ai luat datele astea??eu stiam de nsx ca face 100 in 5,9 chiar am un test aici cu nsx...
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15-01-05, 08:17
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LEGAL RACING
Care sunt criterile de comparatie?
Sa nu uitam europenele adevarate, Ferari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Venturi, Porsche, BMW, McLaren , Lotus......................................
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15-01-05, 08:24
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LEGAL RACING
Pretul e greu de interpretat de exemplu o japoneza buna costa
100 000Euro bani care te pot ajuta sa ai si o europeana cu muschi.
DAte tehnice
NSX-R .................................................. ................................. B3 3.3
Manufacturer Honda .................................................. .............Alpina
Testing Date 8/2002 .................................................. ..........7/1999
Engine 3179 cccm, 6 Zyl , 24 V ...................... 3300 cccm, 6 Zyl , 24 V
Power 280 PS (206 KW) @ 7300/min...... 280 PS (203 KW) @ 6200/min
Torque 298 Nm @ 5300/min ................................ 335 Nm @ 4500/min
Transmission 0 (6) .................................................. ................0 (6)
Weight 1244 Kg .................................................. ..................1495 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,44 Kg / PS ...............................................5,3 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 4,9 s .................................................. ................5,5 s
0 - 200 Km/h 18,2 s .................................................. .............21,3 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 23,4 s .................................................. .......... 26,6 s
Top Speed
280 Km/h .................................................. ....................266 Km/h
80 - 120 Km/h 4.Gear 4,6 s................................................. . 6,6 s
100 - 0 Km/h hot 35,2 m , 10,9 m/s........................ 36,7 m , 10,5 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1,2 g .................................................. ... 1 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 125 / 136 Km/h................. 114 / 124 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.09 min.................................... 8.36 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.14,6 min ................................. 1.19,3 min
Comparatia e facuta doar ca idee generala nicidecum pt ca le consider in clase egale.
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15-01-05, 10:12
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#45
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"catalin rs4\"
bogdane de unde ai luat datele astea??eu stiam de nsx ca face 100 in 5,9 chiar am un test aici cu nsx...
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Cataline, e vb de NSX R, o Acura NSX full option+cutie automata face 5,9 sec suta. Asta e varianta racing usurata, umblata pe la transmisie, etc. Face sfertul in cam 12.7-12.8 sec si suta in 4.7s(oficial 4.9), testele Best Motoring au dovedit-o. Am niste filmulete in care spulbera un GT 3 de 360cp si sta cot la cot cu o Modena de 400cp.
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