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View Poll Results: Focus ST vs Golf GTI
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18-04-09, 22:19
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
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Originally Posted by bogdan_wrc
oricum din 65 de pagini, doar vreo 5 sunt la obiect..in rest s-a aberat la greu...masinile sunt "pe acolo"..
nu stiu cine compara pe paginile trecute ST montone(sau cum se scrie) cu GTI ED30, si aveam pretentia sa stie ca ED30 vine din fabrica cu 230 de cai, nu modificat de vreo firma (fie ea si tuner oficial). ED30 vine cu 95% motorul de S3 si doar din soft poate ajunge la >300 de cai.
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E o coincidenta "turbo" fericita in cazul asta  . Dar nefecit este ca nu ai si garantie ca in cazul firmei pe care iti e greu sa o scri.
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21-04-09, 07:23
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
eu tot nu am gasit unde spune de garantie pe siteul...daca da garantie la MASINA modificata sau doar la componente...
http://www.mountuneperformance.com/i...=139&Itemid=71
oricum sunt gramada de firme care urca ED30 la 300 de cai, cu garantie, gen MTM, ABT..etc
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21-04-09, 15:07
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
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Originally Posted by bogdan_wrc
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Garantia de la Ford ramane in picioare "This upgrade can be fitted to any model year of Focus ST, new or used, and has a minimum 12 months/12,000-mile warranty without affecting the vehicle warranty." !!! Asta nu cred ca se intampla si in cazul MTM, ABT...
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22-04-09, 07:17
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
deci cu alte cuvinte dai £1096 inc VAT pe larger tailored Pro Alloy intercooler, a high flow K&N air filter and a revised engine calibration for the potent 2.5-litre Duratec ST engine si ajungi la 260 de cai.
la REVO, dai 599 lire (*Plus Tax or VAT where applicable.)
http://www.revotechnik.com/products/....aspx?pvID=580
si ajungi la 255 , din 200.
un KN este maxim alte 50 de lire..si mai cresti 1-2 cai
da, corect intercoolerul de la mountune e bun, dar de ce ai nevoie de un intercooler cand adaugi 35 de cai?
daca tragi linie, dai mai mult, ca sa castigi mai putin. (225-260 la ST, si 200-255 la GTI)
legat de garantie:
http://www.superchips.co.uk/index.ph...d=15&Itemid=29
si aici am vorbit de GTI normal, nu de ED30.
de asta am zis..de ce s-a comparat ST Mountune cu ed30? daca tot comparam, ori comparam masini stock, ori modificate?
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22-04-09, 07:28
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
Cred ca e o mica confuzie.La Mountune e vorba de potentialul de care dispune.Deci cu un Intercooler nou (nu stiu daca sunt si aceleasi injectoare), practic ai un nou ST stock, plus o recalibrare soft, nu soft tuning.Deci ai un motor lejer de 260cp, nu unul oarecum fortat de 255.Eu zic ca din cip-tuning asta chiar face peste 300cp fara sa-i afecteze fiabilitatea si fara sa mai schimbi nimic in el.E cam aceeasi chestie cu cele 2 turbine de pe 335i..."aaaaa, pai cum, 330i are 272cp, iar 335i-ul cu acelasi motor si 2 turbine pe el are doar 34cp in plus???...rusinica".Important e potentialul latent al acestui motor, putand relativ usor ajunge la puterea unui M3.
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22-04-09, 17:56
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
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Originally Posted by carutasu
Cred ca e o mica confuzie.La Mountune e vorba de potentialul de care dispune.Deci cu un Intercooler nou (nu stiu daca sunt si aceleasi injectoare), practic ai un nou ST stock, plus o recalibrare soft, nu soft tuning.Deci ai un motor lejer de 260cp, nu unul oarecum fortat de 255.Eu zic ca din cip-tuning asta chiar face peste 300cp fara sa-i afecteze fiabilitatea si fara sa mai schimbi nimic in el.E cam aceeasi chestie cu cele 2 turbine de pe 335i..."aaaaa, pai cum, 330i are 272cp, iar 335i-ul cu acelasi motor si 2 turbine pe el are doar 34cp in plus???...rusinica".Important e potentialul latent al acestui motor, putand relativ usor ajunge la puterea unui M3.
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scuze de offtopic insa cele doua motoare bmw mentionate sunt mai multe diferente. :
3.0 aspirat 272 cp N52B30 : "Its crankcase is made entirely of magnesium and aluminum, a first in the world of engine construction. BMW used Alusil aluminum cylinder sleeves, which offer high heat conductivity, and cast them into a lightweight magnesium block [1], creating one of the lightest production engines of its size class in the world at 161 kg. Technologically it is even more advanced than the new N54B30 bi-turbo, which is based on an older M54B30 design and lacks several improvements that BMW has made for this engine."
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22-04-09, 20:23
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
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Originally Posted by Bogdan_mb
scuze de offtopic insa cele doua motoare bmw mentionate sunt mai multe diferente. :
3.0 aspirat 272 cp N52B30 : "Its crankcase is made entirely of magnesium and aluminum, a first in the world of engine construction. BMW used Alusil aluminum cylinder sleeves, which offer high heat conductivity, and cast them into a lightweight magnesium block [1], creating one of the lightest production engines of its size class in the world at 161 kg. Technologically it is even more advanced than the new N54B30 bi-turbo, which is based on an older M54B30 design and lacks several improvements that BMW has made for this engine."
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e cam dubios sa fi ales bmw varianta aia de motor din 2000..in 2004 a aparut varianta de 258 cp cu pompa de apa electrica puteau sa o dezvolte pe varianta asta de motor
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23-04-09, 17:10
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Re: Ford Focus ST Vs. VW Golf GTI
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Originally Posted by bogdan_wrc
deci cu alte cuvinte dai £1096 inc VAT pe larger tailored Pro Alloy intercooler, a high flow K&N air filter and a revised engine calibration for the potent 2.5-litre Duratec ST engine si ajungi la 260 de cai.
la REVO, dai 599 lire (*Plus Tax or VAT where applicable.)
http://www.revotechnik.com/products/....aspx?pvID=580
si ajungi la 255 , din 200.
un KN este maxim alte 50 de lire..si mai cresti 1-2 cai
da, corect intercoolerul de la mountune e bun, dar de ce ai nevoie de un intercooler cand adaugi 35 de cai?
daca tragi linie, dai mai mult, ca sa castigi mai putin. (225-260 la ST, si 200-255 la GTI)
legat de garantie:
http://www.superchips.co.uk/index.ph...d=15&Itemid=29
si aici am vorbit de GTI normal, nu de ED30.
de asta am zis..de ce s-a comparat ST Mountune cu ed30? daca tot comparam, ori comparam masini stock, ori modificate? |
Daca vrei sa iti achizitionezi un Focus ST cu garantie de la productor ai de ales dintre varianta de 225 de hp si varianta "Mountune" de 260 de hp. Ce e asa de greu ? Daca tot exista 2 variante de putere ca si la Vw Gti, de ce sa nu comparam Gti cu ST si Gti ed30 cu ST Moontune ? Cred ca in scopul asta a si aparut varianta mountune, pt a ingenunchia "ed30". Variante de chiptuning exista f. multe pt ambele modele, dar garantia de la producator nu mai este valabila. Inca o chestie, daca la ST scoti £1096 pt varianata Mountune si ai 260 de cai, la VW cat trebuie sa scoti pt a ajunge la ed30 si 30 de cai in minus?
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