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UNLORD 11-09-18 11:53
Re: Mercedes vs. BMW vs. Audi
 
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Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5879447)
nu stiu unde au gresit cei de la Audi cu platform asta noua, insa se pare ca daca la generatia anterioara produceau cele mai usoare masini premium, acum sunt cele mai grele.

un test autozeitung cu 530xd, A6 3.0tdi si Volvo S80.

"Because with 2037 kg on the scale, he is not only good 200 kilograms heavier than the BMW, but also as the own factory specification."

inainte, la 2037kg cumparai un Audi A8 bine echipat.

pai un A6 allroad va avea probabil 2.2 tone.

la perfomante, pana la 150km/h, A6 pierde 0.7secunde...evident ca motorul Audi este net superior, si nu pt ca are 20cp in plus, insa cu toate astea nu pot suplini un handicap de 200kg

din ce am inteles, si Mercedes incepand cu generatia din 2020 a lui S klasse va umbla bine la kilograme si va folosi mult carbon. actualmente si ei au o problema cu kilogramele, insa oricum, E klasse se pastreaza binisor sub 2 tone la motor de 3 litri.

https://translate.google.com/transla...ml%3Fimage%3D1
Se reduce la 130 de kg in caz ca il dotezi cu X-drive (din ce arata autozeitung aici, desi par SF valorile alea). Curios e ca si testul asta e castigat tot de Bmw, ceea ce ma face sa cred ca specialist nu regreta neaparat, ca nu a mai asteptat dupa noul A6 :) http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...-13867465.html

specialist 11-09-18 12:06
Re: Mercedes vs. BMW vs. Audi
 
autozeitung spune ca si seria 5 are xdrive, deci raman 200kg mai putine decat A6.


in testul autobild, seria 5 este RWD si sunt 258kg diferenta, deci cu Xdrive, ar mai ramane tot pe la 200kg(xdrive cantareste 55 kg, asa spune bmw).

200kg diferenta este aberant de mult.

dar si A7 tot atat are..pe la 2030kg(vazusem un test). hai sa spunem ca astea sunt masini de test si sunt mai accesorizate, insa este clar ca audi a6 sedan/audi a7 cu motor de 3 litri, nu se poate sub doua tone. in fine, citisem in testul autobild ca modelul audi din test are suspensie pe perne de aer, diferential sport spate, directie pe puntea spate, roti de 20 de inch(rotile de A6/7 sunt mai mari in diametru si decat la seria 7) si se aduna spre 100kg. oricum, rotile de la noua generatie de A6/7 sunt prea mari si de neam prost

Audi A6 mi se pare o masina mai aratoasa decat seria 5 si asta la modul mult prea clar.
eu nu mai puteam si nu mai voiam sa aman cu masina. si chiar sa fi vrut/putut, am doar mici chestii care nu imi plac la ea. Niciun regret.

adrian78bmw 14-09-18 17:44
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UNLORD 30-09-18 10:48
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adrian78bmw 30-09-18 20:01
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UNLORD 01-10-18 11:09
Re: Mercedes vs. BMW vs. Audi
 
seria 3?
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-...of-paris-debut

UNLORD 02-10-18 11:31
Re: Mercedes vs. BMW vs. Audi
 
Seria 3 e aici: https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1540476 Arata bine, ce pot sa zic, in sfarsit a crescut si calitatea interiorului, la F3x nefiind un punct forte.

UNLORD 02-10-18 16:47
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UNLORD 03-10-18 15:56
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UNLORD 04-10-18 16:11
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adrian78bmw 11-10-18 15:02
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UNLORD 11-10-18 16:48
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adrian78bmw 11-10-18 17:21
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adrian78bmw 12-10-18 23:12
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adrian78bmw 15-10-18 09:51
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UNLORD 18-10-18 21:02
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UNLORD 25-10-18 16:00
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UNLORD 05-11-18 11:22
Re: Mercedes vs. BMW vs. Audi
 
Interesant motorul 2 tdi de la Audi: A6 Avant 40 TDI vs. E 220 d T-Modell vs. V90 D4 AWD

adrian78bmw 15-11-18 15:40
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adrian78bmw 30-11-18 08:39
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adrian78bmw 07-12-18 17:44
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adrian78bmw 13-12-18 19:43
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specialist 18-12-18 11:02
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deci cam ce se vede in poza se intampla cu pretinsa scadere de greutate a masinilor.

1949kg cu 40 de litri in rezervor(aprox 60%), sofer de aprox 90 kg(imbracat si incaltat pt iarna), rezervorul cu lichid de parbriz 80% plin, doua paturi mici si usoare in portbagaj, niste maruntisuri in cotiera torpedou si portbagaj, trusa medicala...oricum, cacaturi.

pe site la bmw 1725kg in conditiile unui rezervor 90% plin si a unui sofer de 75kg.

diferenta intre combustibilul meu mai putin si soferul lor mai usor, se compnseaza.

mai raman maruntisurile mele, paturile lichidul pt parbriz...un total de 10 kg.


ok, ei spun ca 1725kg inseamna configuratie standard.
eu am roti de 245/45R18 fata de 225/55R17 standard iar asta ar insemna 10 kg in plus la intreg setul de roti. plus pielea plus alte extrem de usoare in greutate dotari, se mai fac 10 kg.

total in optionale ar fi 20 kg.


deci, de unde are masina mea 200kg in plus fata de ce pretinde bmw?!

bine, putem considera faptul ca la MHS militari, cantarul e stricat sau ca masina nu a fost asezata bine pe cantar desi neasezata bine ar fi insemnat ca ar fi aratat cantarul mai putine kilograme.

adrian78bmw 11-01-19 21:50
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adrian78bmw 02-03-19 08:17
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adrian78bmw 16-03-19 21:07
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adrian78bmw 17-03-19 15:11
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adrian78bmw 25-05-19 08:00
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