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Nu stiu daca a fost postat acest link. Test 5th Gear BMW M3 vs Mercedes C63 AMG "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAAzAtxO1wg |
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Oameni buni daca va intereseaza subiectul luati-va ultimul numar din topgear aveti acolo vreo 3 articole referitoare la m3 ! Dintre care doua comparative unul cu c63 si unul cu porsche cayman. Din pacate le cam pierde pe ambele. Sunt curios daca-i concediaza Jeremy Clarkson pe redactori ca au indraznit sa nu fie de acord cu el =))
Oricum daca am inteles eu bine in curand toate modelele amg inclusiv C63 amg vor fi echipate cu noua transmisie mct de pe SL 63 amg care schimba treptele in 100 milisecunde adica o zecime de secunda (si care de asemenea va reduce semnificativ din consumul total al masinii). Sunt curios cum se va descurca in fata lui M3 dct ! |
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Incearca marea cu degetul!
Sansele de a drege ceva sunt limitate. |
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O fi fost dar viata reala nu are nimic de-a face cu circuitul de la nurburgring sau mai stiu eu care ! Aia care au testat masinile in topgear au facut-o pe drumurile din anglia cat si pe drumurile de la noi, si au ajuns la concluzia ca amg-ul este mai potrivit pentru asa ceva decat m3. Au spus insa ca situatia s-ar putea schimba odata cu aparitia lui m3 sedan cu dublu ambreiaj in martie !
Si am mai aflat o chestie, nu din topgear, ca de fapt transmisia noua de la amg nu e cu dublu ambreiaj asa cum ar lasa de inteles numele acesteia (MCT- multi clutch transmission). Cu toate astea schimba treptele intr-o zecime de secunda, ceea ce mie se pare fenomenal. Dar avantajul major fata de o transmisie dual-clutch secventiala e ca poate sari treptele, de exemplu daca esti in treapta 5 si apesi la fund pedala de acceleratie sare direct in 2 ! |
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poate ar trebui sa comparam si un m3 cabrio cu un tvr !!
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kiar sunt curios care va fi deznodamantul intrecerii dintre sebastian si pretenu cu c63 amg!!!oare m3?oare c63 amg?asta ar fi ceva de vazut..
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Eu cred ca pot sa castig din nou insa faptele vor decide daca raman cu 1-0 , 2-0, sau 1-1. Nu stiu ce sa zic dar din cate ma pricep eu raman consecvent si spun ca pot sa castig in mod cert. |
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ti tinem pumnii oricum v8-ul AMG are 6.3 litri si dezvolta 463 cp iar ,,amaratul'' ///M doar 4 l si totusi scoate 420 cp adik desi amg produce v8-uri de multi ani ar cam trebui sa ia niste lectii de la ,,fraierii' de Motorsport GMBH care le-au cam dat mereu lectii
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Motorul amg de 6.3 litri produce 520 cai cu usurinta in caz ca nu stiai...ala de pe c63 e doar o varianta subtunata a acestuia.
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sunt fan audi.
in acest caz aleg clar mercedes. |
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ce simplist ...
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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/t...0006_13987.hbs Dupa cum o sa observi ei au masurat acceleratia 0-100km/h a BMW-ului in 4.6 s ceea ce poate comfirma spusele lui Sebastian (ca accelereaza mai bine de 4.8 s). Ciudat cum "cel mai varza motor de 4.0 L" (parca asa l-a denumit marele specialist Race) scoate o acceleratie asa buna! |
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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2072268 dar trebuie sa credem ca M3-ul accelereaza m-ai repede ca si amg-ul ... in schimb, cand autocar si inca o revista au declarat amg-u peste m3 toti au sarit in sus, cum si-au permis asa ceva ... sincer nu mi se pare echitabil.. oricum e o cearta copilareasca ... |
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Eu va spun ce mi s-a intamplat mie nu din carti.
Oricum nu era diferenta colosala in favoarea BMW. Eu am si cea mai sport varianta de la BMW M3 foarte seaca si bruta, altele ... am mai condus dar nu imi dau seama. |
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Daca aderenta e ff buna poti merge si sub 4,5 cu bmw.
trebuie sa fie ceva f bun si anvelopele calde. |
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Daca vrei un cart atunci recomand BMW-ul.
Daca vreti o masina merg pe mana celor de la Mercedes. PS: Parerea o sa mi-o schimb cand se vor gandi si cei de la BMW sa redeseneze total interiorul masinilor ca acolo ne petrecem timpul nu in exterior, si nici nu putem alerga prin Bucuresti cu ele in zilele din timpul saptamanii ca sa ne mai faca sa uitam cat de urat e in comparatie cu concurenta. |
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Eu mi-am luat m3 sa ma bucur de performanta si o fac din plin, nu ai nevoie mereu de 240 sa te simti ok dar daca odata acei 5-10km /h in plus fac diferenta poate ti-au salvat viata si merita din plin.
Interiorul la BMW ma fascineaza prin simplitate si calitatea materialelor. Am ales varianta cea mai sportiva si mai simpla, asa cum recomanda si fabrica cand vinde CSL. |
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@Sebastian, iti dau dreptate, vrei adrenalina pura atunci alegi BMW-ul.
Eu pana acum n-am condus o alta marca de masina care sa se comporte in curbe, la tinuta de drum sau pe reprize de acceleratie cum o fac BMW-urile. Cu franele stateau mai prost M-urile vechi dar vad ca la asta nou sunt tari de tot. In schimb unii(printre care ma numar si eu) au trecut peste etapa asta a vietii si au realizat ca daca ajung cu 10 minute mai tarziu in punctul B nu este o tragedie ci dimpotriva. Mai ramane problema confortului pe care il ai in masina in alea 10 minute in plus ca sa te poti bucura linistit de drum asa ca acum as alege Mercedes. |
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Mercedes nu va putea fi egalat sau depasit vreodata de concurenti.....pentru studiu : http://www.amg-classics.de/
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pe ce te bazezi cand spui acest lucru???
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Eu am vizitat fabrica BMW din Munchen si acolo mi s-a explicat ca intradevar Mercedes aduce placerea de a conduce. Trailerele care care BMW sunt marca Mercedes. In plus am spus si eu ceva, de fapt am aruncat o intrebare. Ce simbolizeaza sigla BMW?:arrow: |
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SEBASTIAN, sigla BMW reprezinta o elice de avion in miscare cica... pentru ca la inceput faceau motoare pentru avioane...
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Bine si cea de la Mercedes?
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Este tot simbolul unei eleici de avion.
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Re: BMW M3 vs. Mercedes C 63 AMG BEST BUY 70000 euro !!
in ecuatia m3 vs amg nu este o departajare clara, dar daca intra in ecuatie brabus nu mai au grad de comparatie!
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stiati ca motorul vechiului m3 suporta fara sa fie desfacut kit de 750cp?
Pot sa va spun ca azi un CL63AMG a fost invins de un m3 e92. |
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uau!!!cum ?unde?cand?sunt martori? bravo tie!!
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dupa ultimul auto sport, c63 reuseste chiar 14 secunde de la 0 la 200, M3 ramanind cu peste 16 secunde clar in urma,...
dar in slalom, se intoare victorios, 68 la 66 !! oricum pe hockenheim au scos timp egal, anume 1:15.2 ! :rolleyes2 |
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si-a luat un prieten c63amg si masina chiar este foarte misto ! m-a impresionat in mod placut :) dar nu mi-a dat senzatia de asa monstru ( 0 - 200 in 14sec !!! ) oricum masina este senzationala !
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<table style="width: 352px; height: 1771px;" class="insettxt" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="hdr"><td> </td><td>2008 BMW M3 </td><td>2008 Lexus IS F </td><td>2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG </td></tr><tr class="hdr1"><td colspan="5">POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Drivetrain layout </td><td>Front-engine, RWD </td><td>Front-engine, RWD </td><td>Front-engine, RWD </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Engine type </td><td>90 V-8 aluminum block/heads </td><td>90 V-8 aluminum block/heads </td><td>90 V-8 aluminum block/heads </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Valvetrain </td><td>DOHC, 4 valves/cyl </td><td>DOHC, 4 valves/cyl </td><td>DOHC, 4 valves/cyl </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Displacement </td><td>244.0 cu in/3999cc </td><td>303.2 cu in/4969 cc </td><td>378.9 cu in / 6208 cc </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Compression ratio </td><td>12.0:1 </td><td>11.8:1 </td><td>11.3:1 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Power (SAE net) </td><td>414 hp @ 8300 rpm </td><td>416 hp @ 6600 rpm </td><td>451 hp @ 6800 rpm </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Torque (SAE net) </td><td>295 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm </td><td>371 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm </td><td>443 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Redline </td><td>8300 rpm </td><td>6800 rpm </td><td>7200 rpm </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Weight to power </td><td>8.8 lb/hp </td><td>9.2 lb/hp </td><td>8.9 lb/hp </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Transmission </td><td>6-speed manual </td><td>8-speed automatic </td><td>7-speed automatic </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Axle/final-drive ratios </td><td>3.85:1/3.36:1 </td><td>2.94:1/2.01:1 </td><td>2.85:1/2.08:1 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Suspension, front; rear </td><td>Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar </td><td>Control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar </td><td>Multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Steering ratio </td><td>12.5:1 </td><td>13.6:1 </td><td>13.5:1 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Turns lock-to-lock </td><td>2.4 </td><td>2.9 </td><td>3 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Brakes, f;r </td><td>14.2-in vented, drilled disc; 13.8-in vented disc, ABS </td><td>14.2-in vented disc; 13.6-in vented disc, ABS </td><td>14.2-in vented, drilled disc; 13.0-in vented, drilled disc, ABS </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Wheels, f;r </td><td>8.5 x 18, 9x5 x 18 in, cast aluminum </td><td>8.0 x 19; 9.0x19 in, forged aluminum </td><td>8.0x 18; 9.0x18 in, forged aluminum </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Tires, f;r </td><td>245/35R19 93Y; 265/35R19 98Y Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 </td><td>225/40R19, 255/35R19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 </td><td>235/40ZR18 91Y, 255/35R18 95Y Pirelli PZero Rosso </td></tr><tr class="hdr1"><td colspan="5">DIMENSIONS </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Wheelbase </td><td>108.7 in </td><td>107.5 in </td><td>108.9 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Track, f/r </td><td>60.6/60.6 in </td><td>61.4/59.6 in </td><td>61.7/60.0 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Length x width x height </td><td>180.4 x 71.5 x 57.0 in </td><td>183.5 x 71.5 x 55.7 in </td><td>186.0 x 70.7 x 56.6 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Turning circle </td><td>36.1 ft </td><td>33.5 ft </td><td>38.1 ft </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Curb weight </td><td>3652 lb </td><td>3817 lb </td><td>4004 lb </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Weight dist., f/r </td><td>50/50% </td><td>54/46% </td><td>53/47% </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Seating capacity </td><td>5 </td><td>5 </td><td>5 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Headroom, f/r </td><td>38.5/37.5 in </td><td>37.2/36.7 in </td><td>37.1/36.9 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Legroom, f/r </td><td>41.5/34.6 in </td><td>43.9/30.6 in </td><td>41.7/33.4 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Shoulder room, f/r </td><td>55.4/55.1 in </td><td>54.4/52.7 in </td><td>54.7/55.1 in </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Cargo volume </td><td>12.0 cu ft </td><td>13.3 cu ft </td><td>12.4 cu ft </td></tr><tr class="hdr1"><td colspan="5">TEST DATA </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td colspan="5">Acceleration to mph </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>0-30 </td><td>1.7 sec </td><td>1.8 sec </td><td>1.6 sec </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>0-40 </td><td>2.4 </td><td>2.5 </td><td>2.3 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>0-50 </td><td>3.3 </td><td>3.4 </td><td>3.2 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>0-60 </td><td>4.3 </td><td>4.3 </td><td>4.1 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>0-70 </td><td>5.5 </td><td>5.5 </td><td>5.3 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>0-80 </td><td>7 </td><td>6.8 </td><td>6.6 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>0-90 </td><td>8.5 </td><td>8.2 </td><td>8.1 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>0-100 </td><td>10.1 </td><td>10 </td><td>9.8 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Passing, 45-65 mph </td><td>1.9 </td><td>2 </td><td>2 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Quarter mile </td><td>12.7 sec @ 111.3 mph </td><td>12.7 sec @ 113.4 mph </td><td>12.5 sec @ 113.5 mph </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Braking, 60-0 mph </td><td>105 ft </td><td>108 ft </td><td>103 ft </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Braking, 100-0 mph </td><td>309 ft </td><td>309 ft </td><td>304 ft </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Lateral acceleration </td><td>0.97 g (avg) </td><td>0.95 g (avg) </td><td>0.95 g (avg) </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>MT figure eight </td><td>24.8 sec @ 0.76 g (avg) </td><td>25.1 sec @ 0.77 g (avg) </td><td>24.9 sec @ 0.78 g (avg) </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>2.7-mi Road course lap </td><td>2 min, 34.2 sec </td><td>2 min, 38.6 sec </td><td>2 min, 39.0 sec </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Top-gear revs @ 60 mph </td><td>2600 rpm </td><td>1650 rpm </td><td>1700 rpm </td></tr><tr class="hdr1"><td colspan="5">CONSUMER INFO </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Base price </td><td>$55,875 </td><td>$56,765 </td><td>$55,925 </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Price as tested </td><td>$63,625 </td><td>$62,940 </td><td>$63,930 </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Stability/traction control </td><td>Yes/yes </td><td>Yes/yes </td><td>Yes/yes </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Airbags </td><td>Dual front, front side, f/r curtain </td><td>Dual front, front side, front knee, f/r curtain </td><td>Dual front, front side, f/r curtain </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Basic warranty </td><td>4 yrs/50,000 miles </td><td>4 yrs/50,000 miles </td><td>4 yrs/50,000 miles </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Powertrain warranty </td><td>4 yrs/50,000 miles </td><td>6 yrs/70,000 miles </td><td>4 yrs/50,000 miles </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>Roadside assistance </td><td>4 yrs/unlimited miles </td><td>4 yrs/unlimited miles </td><td>Unlimited </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Fuel capacity </td><td>16.6 gal </td><td>16.9 gal </td><td>19.5 gal </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>EPA city/hwy econ </td><td>14/20 mpg (est) </td><td>16/23 mpg </td><td>12/19 mpg </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>CO2 emissions </td><td>1.20 lb/mile (est) </td><td>1.05 lb/mile </td><td>1.35 lb/mile </td></tr><tr class="hdr2"><td>MT fuel economy </td><td>19.1 mpg </td><td>17.9 mpg </td><td>17.5 mpg </td></tr><tr class="hdr3"><td>Recommended fuel </td><td>Unleaded premium </td><td>Unleaded premium </td><td>Unleaded premium </td></tr></tbody></table> |
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