Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Nu se va intampla asa ceva niciodata...

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Baga shi un ssang yong rodius dak tot esti aici. yo pentru care votez? care e mai urata, sau cum?

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

aleg Mercedesu Ml 63 Amg cai mai frumoasa si dincate am auzit ii si mai tare off-rouad

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Ai auzit prost!!,dc. citeai si celelalte posturi ai fi observat "ca-i" invers!

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Eu am sapat un pic prin istoria lor, cine spune ca nu au traditie la 4x4 sa nu uite care a fost prima masina 4x4 din lume ( Porsche-Lohner conceput in 1898 si prezentata la expozitia mondiala din 1900 din Paris) apoi tractorul din 1912, celebrul Schwimmwagen (masina de serie pt armata) ul din 1941, victoriile din Paris-Dakkar, 959, Carrera4, 911 Turbo...mda, cam au ceva traditie...ca sa nu mai spun de o chestie cu senile numita Tiger care le a dat fiori reci aliatilor in WW2, Porsche este una din cele mai puternice firme de consultanta/inginerie din lume, multe firme celebre apeleaza la expertiza lor, nu mi vorbiti de exclusivitate, nu uitati ca Lamborghini face si centrale termice...

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Am sa te rog sa fi mai riguros cu informatile.

• 1898: Latil (France) making front wheel drive units and then 4x4.
• 1898: Tatra starts manufacturing.
• 1900: Ferdinand Porsche's La Toujours Contente is battery-powered with 4 electric motors, one per wheel. He later patents the Mixte transmission: a petrol engine drives a dynamo and electric motors drive the wheels (too expensive for the day).
• 1902: Spyker (Dutch) full-time four wheel drive car built. Exhibited at the Paris Motor Show in December 1903 [Sco61].
• 1907: Felix and Norman Caldwell of South Australia apply for a patent for four wheel drive plus four wheel steering; they go on to build Caldwell Vale 4x4 trucks with Henry Vale.
• 1911: FWD sells its first 4x4 [Bal87].
• 1913: Jeffrey Quad 4X4 truck goes into production.
• 1915: Big Lizzie road train (Au).
• 1917: First Oshkosh four wheel drive truck [Bal88].
• 1922, December 17: Citroen half-tracks leave from Touggourt in Algeria to cross the Sahara Desert.
• 1924, December 28: Citroen half-tracks leave to traverse Africa.
• 1929: AEC start to build AWD trucks in conjunction with FWD (UK).
• 1931-1932: Citroen-Haardt expedition, using Citroen half-tracks, follows part of Marco-Polo's route from Beirut to Beijing.
• 1932: Miller 4x4 racing cars at Indianapolis.
• 1934: AEC road train (one of three built) brought to Australia. It consisted of an 8x8 prime-mover and two 8-wheel self-tracking trailers.
• 1934: Dodge start building 4WD trucks (- George Miles).
• 1934: Prototype PX-33 four wheel drive car built for the Japanese government; the car did not go into production (Mitsubishi). Thanks to Balazs Toth.
• 1938: GAZ 61 - Russian 4x4.
• 1940: Jeep specification issued.
• 1940-1941: Bantam build 2700 light 4x4s, early "Jeeps".
• 1941-1945: Ford and Willys-Overland build 700,000 General Purpose vehicles for WWII (GP becomes Jeep).
• 1946, October 10: Unimog introduced (- H. J. Feil).
• 1948: Series-1 Land-Rover released.
• 1948: Ford release first of the F-Series vehicles.
• 1950: Ford GPA, or amphibious Jeep `Half Safe' crosses the Atlantic ocean (I am not making this up).
• 1951: First Toyota Landcruiser built, as the `BJ Jeep', the LandCruiser name came in 1954.
• 1951 - NAPCO (Northwestern Auto Parts Company) starts to produce 4x4 conversion units. The earliest documentable truck to be converted by NAPCO was a 1951 Chevy 3/4 ton owned by Butch Gehrig of Odell, Oregon.
• 1954-1956: Amphibious Jeep `La Tortuga' "drives" from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
• 1955-1956: London to Singapore overland (except for Channel!) 2 x Land-Rovers.
• 1958: First Toyota LandCruisers imported into Australia.
• 1959: Haflinger by Steyr-Daimler-Puch.
• 1960: A Jeep and a Land-Rover traverse the Darien Gap.
• 1961: Stirling Moss driving a Ferguson Project 99 (P99) with the Ferguson 4WD system wins the Oulton Park Gold-Cup race.
• 1964, 17 July: Bluebird (4WD) raises the land speed record to 403 mph.
• 1966: Jensen FF all wheel drive road car is put into production (until 1971), using a Ferguson Formula 4WD system with centre diff' and viscous coupling ?? --> (the FF also had ABS brakes) - John Wild.
• 1970: Range Rover released - luxury full-time 4WD.
• 1971: Ford Falcon XY ute 4WD (Australia)
• 1971: Four wheel drive on the Moon
• 1971-1972: British Trans-Americas Range Rover expedition.
• 1974: Subaru Leone L-series - four wheel drive passenger car.
• 1979: AMC produce the Eagle 4x4 car
• 1981: Humvee or Hummer (HMMWV - High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) specification issued.
• 1981: Audi revolutionize rallying with the Quattro 4WD rally car.
• 1981: Porsche must have been watching Audi as they showed a Porsche 911 AWD concept car at the Frankfurt Motor Show [Porsche].
• 1983: Land Rover 110, coil-sprung, full-time 4WD.
• 1984: A Porsche 911 AWD wins the Paris Dakar rally.
• 1986: Porsche 959 AWDs finish 1, 2 and 6 in the Paris Dakar rally.
• 1994: Range Rover completely revised.
• 1996: Jeep Wrangler gets coil springs!
• 2002 and onwards???

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Porsche-Lohner conceput in 1898 ce nu e clar aici?

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

conceput ...
cand s-a fabricat de fapt proiectele mereu incep in trecut

An article we ran some time ago, tracing the origins of the Porsche Carrera 4, mentioned the 1901 sale of a Lohner-Porsche to a motorist in Luton, and claimed this machine as having been Ferdinand Porsche's first four-wheel drive car design.
'01 Lohner-Porsche Phaeton

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http://www.butzi.cz/modely/images/lo...he_phaeton.jpgIerarhia corecta e mai sus.

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

OK, am "gresit" cu 3 ani :lol: (conceput in 1989, fabricat/vandut in 1900/1901) , asta nu inseamna ca nu e decand bunica chestia cu 4x4, despre asta discutam de fapt, nu? Faptul ca multi nu stiu despre chestiile astea de istorie antica in ale automobilului ii face sa spuna f superiori "aaa, astia faceau numai masini sport, si au stricat traditia, etc" dar ei nu au nici macar o centrala termica Lamborghini in casa macar :???: realitatea e putin diferita :-) Si daca nu va place Porsche nu l cumparati fratilor, ca e democratie, ma sacrific eu ;)

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Top Gear a trecut pe facut filme in germana????????? ala nu e episod din top gear....

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Cand spui Porsche spui castigatorul atat onroad cat si offroad.
Porsche-ul are motor mai mic ca a ML-ului dar are mai multzi cai si e mai performanta. TURBO SSSSS

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

:lol: :lol: pai asta e principiul turbo :rolleyes2

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

al;eg porsche pt pedigree-ul sportiv al marcii

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Certificatula Ala E Pt Alti Membri Ai Familiei Astia Sunt Corciti

Re: SUV big boys : Porsche Cayenne Turbo S vs. Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG
 

Dintre cele doua Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG dar dupa mine lipseste Range Rover Sport.