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21-09-08, 00:37
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Re: Fast hatchback
mah l-ati criticat pe baiat dar dupa argumetele care le-ati adus in potriva lui chiar el are dreptate, din pdvd tehnic e hatch (demonstreaza citatul lui GTR) iar mondeo 5 usi din cate stiu chiar e considerat hatch chiar pe site-ul oficial (daca nu ma insel), dpdvd al designului octavia e o berlina in 3 volume sau sedan......@gtr face o caracterizare cu un aer de atotsitutor masinilor din versus, sunt curios cate masini a condus dintre astea de sti asa de bine cum se comporta sau ct de usor se tuneaza....
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21-09-08, 01:21
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Re: Fast hatchback
fliessheck, eu stiu...poate fi un oarece echivalent....in traducere ad-literam ar fi "pupa continua".Eu unul nu bag mana in foc  ...poate are dreptate.Eu totusi sincer, mi-am inchipuit ca exista si o limita de lungime, altfel ar usor de amestecat si cu combi-urile.
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21-09-08, 11:10
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Re: Fast hatchback
GTR vorbeste din reviste da nu ma apuc sa intru in contradictorii cu el pt k as piede timpul aiurea. Din ce a tradus el si poza pusa de mine rezulta clar ca eu am dreptate si el vb aiurea. Am doua sfaturi unu pentru GTR sa citeasca in continuare reviste si sa ne scrie si noua aici ce a zitit iar pentru sKyNeT sa nu mai rada ca p..... de ce isi aduce aminte.
Multumesc
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21-09-08, 12:39
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Re: Fast hatchback
totusi, pentru clarificare...care ar fi diferenta, sau delimitarea intre un combi si un hatchback?Amandoua au portbagajul integrat, la ambele accesul in portbagaj se face prin intermediul usii din spate, la ambele se rabateaza bancheta din spate...de ce cel din prima poza e hatchback, iar celalalt tournier?Sigur, sunt oarecare mici diferente la aspectul spatelui, dar si acel mondeo arata diferit, la fel si octavia...principiul insa eu zic ca ar fi acelasi.
Am gasit articolul citat de GTR (cred ca ala e).Acolo mai spune ca un hothatck are principiul functional asemanator cu al unui tournier (sau wagon, cum ii spun acolo) si este asimilata ca un small family car.O caracteristica ar fi lungimea mica dupa rotile din spate.Cele cu spatele coborat mai lin, dar cam aceleasi principiu, sunt numite lifthatch (asta probabil e echivalentul nemtescului fliessheck...cazul acelui mondeo), care au o lungime mai mare de la rotile spate pina la capatul portbagajului.Adica e un sedan cu profil fastback si usa spate tip hatcback.Cred ca totusi exista o norma de lungime.Cam de aici as deduce asta :
Similar body styles
SUVs, station wagons and minivans often have the top-hinged tailgate that is one of the features of the hatchback car. However, the term hatchback is typically used in reference to small or compact cars, with a smaller trunk than other vehicles.
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21-09-08, 12:58
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Re: Fast hatchback
breack se delimteaza de hatch prin al 3-lea geam spate care este de dimensiuni vizibil mai generoase decat in cazul hatch-ului, unele hatch-uri nici nu au cel geam
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21-09-08, 13:04
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Re: Fast hatchback
pai da, dar asta nu e tocmai datorita unei lungimi mult mai mari (totale) a masinii?
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21-09-08, 13:19
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Re: Fast hatchback
Tot ce vb acum aici este offtopic si vb din cauza unora care singura lor menire pe acest forum este sa se sparga de ras si sa faca posturi aiurea. Si pentru cei ce au inteles la ce ma refer cand spun k octavia este hatchback va multumesc. Acum va rog sa revenim on topic sa nu le mai dam satisfactie userilor care nu au ce cauta pe acest forum.
Va multumesc!
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21-09-08, 13:34
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Re: Fast hatchback
eu unul am vrut sa imi clarific treaba asta.Daca din anumite motive (preferinta a designerului sa zicem) ultimul geam de la turnierul ala era mic, puteam sa-i zic hatchback?Poate fi si o masina de marimea unui A6 avant (daca indeplineste anumite conditii de design...nu stiu, acel ultim geam, acea panta mare la usa din spate) considerata hatchback?Nu vreau sa ma contrazic, doar intreb.
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21-09-08, 14:09
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Re: Fast hatchback
ultimul post off topic, opel signum are o lungime aproape de a unui breck, si cu toate astea e considerat hatck datorita faptului ca nu are al 3-lea geam spate
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21-09-08, 14:38
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Re: Fast hatchback
da, are aproape 4.7m lungime si 2.83m ampatament...cred ca sunt lamurit.Am aflat ceva nou, eu i-as fi zis break daca l-as fi vazut pe drum.
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21-09-08, 22:30
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Re: Fast hatchback
ca sa ne intelegem si o sa-mi permit sa ma mai repet, sa completez si sa citez si sursa (care nu se numeste revista),
"Hatchback
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Renault 16 hatchback
Renault 16 hatchback
Peugeot 306 hatchback, with the hatch lifted
Peugeot 306 hatchback, with the hatch lifted
Hatchback is a term designating an automobile design, containing a passenger cabin with an integrated cargo space, accessed from behind the vehicle by a single, top-hinged tailgate or large flip-up window. The vehicle commonly has two rows of seats, with the rear seat able to fold down to increase cargo space.
Hatchback vehicles are functionally similar to station wagons (which are intended to carry large volumes), but distinguished by a (much) smaller load area. The typical hatchback roof rakes down steeply behind the C-Pillar, resulting in very little car length behind the rear wheels and thus no room for a side window over the load area. Alternatively, cars with a longer rear end need a much more slanted rear window — a style also known as a liftback. Liftbacks are sedan-size cars with a fastback profile and a hatchback-type tailgate.
The tailgate is also referred to as the hatch. Hatchbacks are often described as three-door (two entry doors and the hatch) or five-door (four entry doors and the hatch) cars. In Europe, city cars, superminis, and small family cars are usually hatchbacks.
Small cars often incorporate a hatch tailgate to make the best use of available space. Especially in smaller models, hatchbacks are often truncated, with the tailgate nearly vertical, to reduce the car's footprint. This is an important consideration in countries where small streets and traffic congestion are big factors (see for instance the Japanese Kei cars).
Hatchbacks frequently include fold-down rear seats, which enable a substantial portion of the interior space to be used as a cargo area. Usually, the rear seat can be folded partially (for instance 1/2, 1/3 or 2/3) or completely to expand the cargo space.
Hatchbacks typically have a parcel shelf: a rigid shelf covering the cargo space that is hinged behind the rear seats and lifts with the tailgate. An alternative is a flexible roll-up tonneau cover.
High performance variants of hatchbacks are now common, known as "hot hatches".
In cel mai rau caz hatch putea fi numit un auto la care sa deschide portbagajul cu tot cu luneta, dar nici ala nu este hatch, este sedan in 2 volume.
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21-09-08, 23:25
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Re: Fast hatchback
sedan in 3 volume....
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21-09-08, 23:42
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Re: Fast hatchback
GTR n-are rost sa explici...unii sunt smecheri ca deschid topicuri pe forumuri......
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22-09-08, 05:42
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Re: Fast hatchback
Nu o spun cu rautate, am explicat exact doar ca sa se inteleaga, de altfel comparatia ramane valabila chiar daca este un sedan infiltrat intre ele nu vad sa fie vre-o problema.
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22-09-08, 10:22
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Re: Fast hatchback
Mai incerc o data ca nu mai pot si crd k parasesc forumul k nu mai are rost.
GTR tu ai zis asa "Hatchback is a term designating an automobile design, containing a passenger cabin with an integrated cargo space, accessed from behind the vehicle by a single, top-hinged tailgate or large flip-up window. The vehicle commonly has two rows of seats, with the rear seat able to fold down to increase cargo space."
In traducere "hatchback este un termen automobilistic, care contine cabina pasagerului cu un spatiu de bagaj integrat in ea, ce se acceseaza din spatele vehiculului".Pai poza mea nu arata celas lucru stiu k Octavia este si sedan dar este si hatchback chiar din traducerea ta. Normal k este mai mare si are aspect de sedan dar nu este si v-am aratat in poza. Cu tine GTR nu am nimic cu toate ca primul topic a fost scris cu rautate macar ai fost pe subiect eu am ce am cu oamenii obositi care posteaza pe forum lucruri de genu "ce am mai ras fara sa stie ce si cum".
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