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View Poll Results: care este mai buna??
McLaren F 1 GTR 28 66.67%
FErrari F50 14 33.33%
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Old 18-04-05, 19:31   #1
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Default McLaren F1 GTR vs. FErrari F 50

sa va aud acum ce parere aveti? Sorry dar inca nu am datele tehnice ale masinilor. daca le are cineva sa le scrie.
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Old 18-04-05, 20:55   #2
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Ferrari F50:
Manufacturer Ferrari
Type V-12
in 65° vee
Dry sumped
DOHC
60 valves total
5 valves per cylinder
Main bearings
Construction iron block & aluminium heads
Bore × stroke 85.00mm × 69.00mm
3.35 in × 2.72 in
Bore/Stroke ratio 1.23
Displacement 4698 cc
(286.69 cu in)
Unitary capacity 391.5 cc/cylinder
Compression ratio 11.30:1
Fuel system Bo Motronic 2.7 fuel inj.
Aspiration Normal
Compressor type N/A
Intercooler None
Catalytic Converter Y
Max. output
(DIN) 520.1 PS (513.0 bhp) (382.5 kW)
@8000 rpm
Max. torque
(DIN) 470.0 Nm (347 lbft) (47.9 kgm)
@6500 rpm
Maximum rpm 8500 rpm
Coolant Water
Specific output 109.2 bhp/litre
1.79 bhp/cu in
Specific torque 100.04 Nm/litre
0-100km/h 3.70s
0-100mph 8.50s
80-120km/h
(50-70mph)
in top
0-Quarter-mile 12.10s
@ 124.50 mph
0-Kilometre 21.70s
Top speed 325 km/h
Fuel Consumption
CO2 Emissions
Power-to-weight 417.07 bhp/ton
chassis
Engine location Mid
Engine alignment Longitudinal
Steering rack & pinion
Turns
lock-to-lock 3.300
Turning circle 12.60 m
Suspension Front I.DW.CS.
Rear I.DW.CS.
Wheels F/R 8.5 x 18/13.0 x 18
Tyres F Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-Fiorano P245/35 ZR 18
Tyres R Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-Fiorano P335/30 ZR 18
Brakes F/R VeDi/VeDi-S
Brake ∅ F/R 356/335 mm
Braked area
Transmission 6M
Drive RWD
Top gear ratio 0.90
Final drive ratio 3.70
general
Number made 349
Model Code
Model Family F50
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Old 18-04-05, 20:57   #3
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McLaren F1 LM:
Manufacturer BMW
Type V-12
DOHC
48 valves total
4 valves per cylinder
Main bearings
Construction
Bore × stroke 86.00mm × 87.00mm
3.39 in × 3.43 in
Bore/Stroke ratio 0.99
Displacement 6064 cc
(370.048 cu in)
Unitary capacity 505.33 cc/cylinder
Compression ratio 10.50:1
Fuel system Fuel inj.
Aspiration Normal
Compressor type N/A
Intercooler None
Catalytic Converter Y
Max. output
(DIN) 677.3 PS (668.0 bhp) (498.1 kW)
@7800 rpm
Max. torque
(DIN) 705.0 Nm (520 lbft) (71.9 kgm)
@4500 rpm
Maximum rpm
Coolant Water
Specific output 110.2 bhp/litre
1.81 bhp/cu in
Specific torque 116.26 Nm/litre
0-50mph (80 km/h) 3.40s
0-60mph 4.00s
0-100km/h
0-100mph 6.70s
80-120km/h
(50-70mph)
in top
0-Quarter-mile
0-Kilometre
Top speed 354 km/h
Fuel Consumption
CO2 Emissions
Power-to-weight 629 bhp/ton
chassis
Engine location Mid
Engine alignment Longitudinal
Steering rack & pinion
Turns
lock-to-lock 2.000
Turning circle
Suspension Front I.DW.CS.ARB.
Rear I.DW.CS.
Wheels F/R /
Tyres F
Tyres R
Brakes F/R VeDi/VeDi
Brake ∅ F/R / mm
Braked area
Transmission 6M
Drive RWD
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Old 18-04-05, 21:50   #4
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Cred ca datele tehnice vorbesc de la sine. Parerea mea este ca acest topic trebuia sa fie Mclaren F1 vs Ferrari Enzo. La desing imi place mai mult F50, dar am votat Mclaren datorita performantelor. Oricum, amandoua sunt superbe si adevarate sportcars. Dar daca as avea banii, nu i-as da pe Mclaren, care este mult mai scump ca F50
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Old 19-04-05, 05:27   #5
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Intrebare : la ce sa fie mai bune ? La liniutze sau per general ? Nu stiu sa se fi facut competitii cu F50, dar sa nu uitam ca F40 ii dadea rau de tot de furca la F1 LM... Plus ca LM-u din cate stiu io ii facuta pt curse pe cand F50-u nu. Anyway, votez F50-u dar nu m-ar deranja nici McLaren-u
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Old 20-04-05, 21:29   #6
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Aceste 2 masini nu pot fi comparate. Deja de la un anumit nivel tehnologic nu mai conteaza in asa mare masura perfomantele (care de obicei sunt infime) ci doar marca. Un pasionat de Ferrari ar da orice pt. cel mai \"gustos muschi italienesc\" atat pt feeling cat si pt sound(care dupa mine este inimitabil). Eu, sincer am votat McLaren F1 pt ca e mai tare (dupa parerea mea) dar trebuie sa mai spun ca nu fac parte din pasionatii Ferrari (prefer Porsche).
Oricum mi-as dori oricare din aceste 2 masini.
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Old 20-04-05, 21:51   #7
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eu zic sa luati din raft CD-ul prafuit cu NFS: Hot Pursuit II, il instalati si faceti acolo o cursa cu cele 2 masini si gata just joking..or not?
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Old 24-04-05, 10:42   #8
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cel mai bun rival pt mclaren f1 gtr este mercedes clk gtr parerea mea
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Old 24-04-05, 11:32   #9
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Dupa parerea mea, n-ar trebui comparate aceste masini, amandoau sunt f performante, avansate technologic, aici toti voteaza masina, marca preferata, io am votat ferrari, chiar daca mclarenu e mai performant, mai rapid.... Spiritul unui ferarri ramane intodeauna in fruntea celorlalti, iar din cate stiu ferrari are mai multa vechime in lumea supercarsurilor (din cate stiu).
Deci un fan ferrari intodeauna va vota ferrari chiar daca nu e la fel de performant ca masina adversa.

Si inca ceva stiat ca McLarenu are motor de BMW 750i, care esto modificat de numa numa adica cilindrul marit de la 5,6 la 6,1, turatia mai mare , compresia .... bla bla bla , si mai stiati ca McLarenu are o bancheta in fata in mijloc iar 2 in spate . Cica da un feeling mai sportiv :P Deci noah , si McLaren-ul ii o masina superba..... da totusi ...

A si inca ceva, daca ar fii trebuit compara performantele atunci nu F50 ci Enzo-ul sau CLK gtr -ul trebuia sa fie comparat cu McLaren
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Old 11-07-05, 04:33   #10
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nu cumva fi gtr e de curse? iar comparam masini de curse cu masini de strada? de ce f1 gtr si nu f1? atunci vin si eu cu ferrari f50 gt(care din pacate nu a participat la curse) cu 680 de cai si 370-380 la ora si mai discutam atunci.am sa mor daca mai vad chestii de astea! aa si inca ceva:japonezii au testat pe un circuit mic de al lor Mclaren f1 si ferrari f40(da vechiul f40) printre alte masini si f 40 a scos cu vreo 1 sec mai bine,acum ei nu zic ca vreuna din ele ar fi modificata,ei zic ca sunt stock,insa asta spune multe despre ceea ce poate un ferrari pe circuit.inca o data ,am filmele ca dovada.
P.S: presupunand ca ar fi scos Mclaren cu o sec mai bine,ganditi-va ca are 150 de cai in plus si o sa va faceti o idee a ceea ce este ferrari,chiar si unul vechi
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Old 11-07-05, 10:44   #11
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1GTR ATI VAZUT ARE 400 IN BOORD CE DRAQ ,
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Ferrari pt astect si traditie
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Old 12-07-05, 01:45   #13
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F1 are motor BMW si este superior ferrariului! deci F1
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Old 12-07-05, 09:27   #14
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\"are motor bmw si este superior ferrariului\" uite ca nu stiam ca bmw face motoare mai bune ca ferrari.....intr-adevar motorul lui f1 e extraordinar insa sa nu comparam o firma care face masini de rand si altul care face exclusiv super car-uri si care mai are si cea mai mare experienta in f1
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Old 13-07-05, 04:08   #15
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ckr_gl ai dreptate in general dar strict referinta la topic dupa parerea mea f1 (o masina care are multi ani de cand e conceputa) e mai performanta decat avandgardista (d.p.d.v. tehnic) masina a celei mai sportive marci! oricum cineva zicea ca nu mai conteaza performantele la nivelul asta si sunt perfect de acord si oricum masini de rangul asta le \"coxezi\" pe circuitul din spatele castelului propriu!
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