3000GT v. 300zx v. Skyline v. Supra v. RX-7 v. NSX

[sco211]

mda...noroc ca mai avem "frati" p afara sa ne aduca cu picioarele pe pamant
...
c ne-am face fara ei?
ca bine zice si pisti...makr sa dai cu shmirghelul daca atceva nu t tine...
dar lasa, ca americanii sunt cei mai tari in tuning...cand au vrut putere mai mare...au marit cilindreea...)...
cum voi ne catalogati p noi toti...asa va catalogam si noi p voi...bata!
>:P

[PiStI]

Originally Posted by Race

Cam multe topicuri inutile cu japoneze vs europene,japoneze vs americane,europene vs americane,japoneze vs japoneze.Parca mai era un topic asemanator cu asta,doar ca lipseau din masini.

Nu inteleg de ce va chinuiti cu orezariile astea.Se pot analiza mai multe bucati de cacat si clasifica dupa culoare,miros sau consistenta si castigator general...dar care e sensul ?

-pai atunci ce rost are sectiunea "versus", shi daca vrei ce rost are tot forumul aceata?
-daca vrei sa ai o imagine cat mai fidela a realitatii trebuie sa consulti fiecare model care alcatuieste acea clasa.
-aici se discuta numai despre modele japoneze, care daca shtii cate ceva din lumea auto moderna surclaseaza toti competitorii din lume, la calitate de productie shi fiabilitate.
-aceste "orazarii" au fost facute special sa bata tot ce misca in lume la acele categorii, shi cu mici exceptii au shi reushit

[Race]

cand au vrut putere mai mare...au marit cilindreea

Ceea ce e cu mult mai rau decat sa maresti presiunea facuta de turbina/e...

cum voi ne catalogati p noi toti...asa va catalogam si noi p voi

Nu exista "noi" si "voi" decat in capul tau.Sau poate in cazul lui PiStI,daca numele e real,dar asta e alta problema fara legatura cu masinile

pai atunci ce rost are sectiunea "versus"

Pe orice sectiune regulile spun ca nu se deschid topicuri noi daca sunt altele la fel.Aici sunt multe topicuri despre aproximativ acelasi lucru,probabil pentru ca unii simt ca le mai creste cu 3-4 cm daca e "topicul lor".

aici se discuta numai despre modele japoneze, care daca shtii cate ceva din lumea auto moderna surclaseaza toti competitorii din lume, la calitate de productie shi fiabilitate.

Foarte bine.Cand o sa vreau sa-mi cumpar un minivan pe care sa-l las mostenire fiului meu nenascut o sa ma gandesc ca orezariile tin 999999999999 km.Parca totusi era vorba de performanta...

[f1anatic]

Originally Posted by lemieux12

LOL the romo ricers and the battle of the e-cocks ;p
marea majotitate a astora pe aici nu au nici o idee de masini adevarate .. nu ai vazut ca la ei "tOOningul" consta in "actipilde multe, aripi si eleroane" ;(

Hey now...si eu am un "actipild" cu STi si de la ala am macar 20 whp ! si e micut cred 6 cm pe 3 cm. Daca ma gindesc la celalalt Cobb - care este de cca 20 cm x 60 cm frate te lesin...da inca nu l-am pus.

Pe chestia aia a ta cu Stage 3 ai si methyl/water injection ?

Asa ca un sfat de la un zeu in AUDI la un n00bst3r oare ce sa fie ...APS Twin Scroll; JDM Twin scroll sau un banal 20G ? Ca e lenesa caruta...deh 4 tzilindri jalnici nu ca fiarele astea din topic... :biggrin:

[sco211]

deci da...poate e o gresala ca s-a mai facut inca un topic...se cam practica p aici p 4tuning...dar totusi...nu e nimeni obligat sa raspunda. poate ca daca nu ar raspunde nimeni...s-ar da omu seama ca a gresit.

dar se pare ca unii chiar vor sa se laude p unde apuca...chiar daca nu au nici o treaba cu topicul...
race...
cum nu exista 'noi' si 'voi' cand omu zice clar: "nu ai vazut ca la ei "tOOningul" consta in "actipilde multe, aripi si eleroane""...
deci asta e parerea lui generala despre "noi"...
pt americani...atentie la avioane! ca cine stie...poate cad p bijuteriile voastre.

[PiStI]

acum vreti sa va scoateti, e ca nu mai tine. se vede clar pe fata ca ne-ai stereotipizat in necunashtintza de cauza, un lucru foarte grav de altfel, moral vorbind.
shi chiar asha, daca nu vrei nu scrii, nu va spune nimeni sa postati non-stop, poate unora le place sa vorbeasca despre acelashi lucruri, (repetacion est mater studiorum)

[Eagleee]

Sa lasam de off topicuri...cred ca la inceput am specificat despre ce vream sa fie discutia...daca se poate, evident sunt "alti" care se baga in seama cu tot felul de prostii care nu se leaga de topic, care nu ar fi problema daca ar fi bazati in tema sau cel putin ar da argumente pe care nu le pot contrazice nici unul de aci...

Daca nu aduceti argumente sa si uitati de topicul asta!!!
Daca aducetii, mai putem discuta, dar sa fie despre masinile sport Jamoneze din era din care sunt astea enumerate...

[turbojack]

Din nou prea mult off-topic ce a generat in polemici inutile si sterile.
De preferat ar fi sa se aduca doar date tehnice,fotografii si calitatile acestor masini.
Nu este cazul sa derapam spre un japoneze vs. americane sau etc.
Sa pastram acest thread clar un vs. intre aceste marci.
Impotriva parerii unora de aici,un asemenea thread este benefic pentru a cunoaste potentialul masinilor japoneze atit de putin cunoscute la noi.Daca este o dublare,un moderator poate sa uneasca threadurile similare.
Postati aici doar date tehnice,fotografii,impresii din partea celor ce au condus aceste masini sau cel putin au avut placerea sa stea in ele.

[200SX]

Originally Posted by turbojack

.......impresii din partea celor ce au condus aceste masini sau cel putin au avut placerea sa stea in ele.

12 voturi pt skyline

[sco211]

am vazut un film p youtube...skyline rules p circuit...si ei le testau...cu ferrari si porche...si rx7, si nsx, care apropo..a iesit ultimul...)
caut filmul...

[Eagleee]

Se vede ca filmul The Fast And The Furious a facut o mica impresie ca Skyline-ul e ceea mai bine Japonez...
Apropo, stiat ca este si in sedan (4usi) si coupe-ul din film, mia mult, proam era sedan si dupa aia a venit coupe-ul. Din fiecare model sint ambele.

[sco211]

gata
am gasit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5LZptSoz0
imi pare rau ca sunt porche si ferrari...trebuiau sa fie numai japoneze...
who won????

[turbojack]

1997 Mitsubishi 3000 GT
by Carey Russ


In the late 1980s and early 1990s, a host of high-tech Japanese sports
cars invaded these shores. But technology has a down side: cost. Cars
that began life and established their reputations as moderately-priced
performance machines became state-of-the-art electromechanical marvels
with race car performance levels and race car prices. Sales nosedived,
and most such vehicles disappeared from the American automotive scene.

One of the few survivors of that era is the Mitsubishi 3000 GT. Unlike
its now-extinct competition, the top-of-the-line turbocharged, all-wheel
drive 3000 GT VR-4 model is balanced by a much more affordable front wheel
drive base model. The basic 3000 GT may not have the incredible performance
of the VR-4, but it’s no slouch. It combines aggressive style, plenty
of useful performance, and a price tag that, if not exactly inexpensive,
is far less than that of any other large imported sports car. Maybe this
is why the 3000 GT has been the most successful of the Japanese supercoupes.


The basic 3000 GT is a well-equipped grand touring car with some new features
for 1997 to enhance its value. Outside, a restyled front fascia,
standard 16-inch alloy wheels and low-profile performance tires,
and a large rear spoiler differentiate it from earlier models. Its
3.0-liter single overhead cam V6 has plenty of power. A comprehensive
list of standard interior appointments ensures driver and passenger
comfort and convenience. During my week with a 3000 GT, I found the car
to be quick and comfortable, with great handling abilities.

APPEARANCE: Is this what Speed Racer drives? The 3000 GT sure looks the
part. Minor styling changes over the years have allowed it to not only
age gracefully, but to improve its looks over the years. It has plenty
of individuality and character. Legendary Japanese martial arts hero
Benkei was the inspiration, and the face of the 3000 GT is purposely
reminiscent of old Japanese Samurai watercolors in style. Double
projector-beam headlights with a slightly-inset transparent fairing,
wraparound side marker/turn signal lights, and a low, wide air intake
give the front of the car a very definite, serious race face. Bulges in
the hood and front fenders for the engine and front struts, respectively,
add to the serious performance image, as do the large spoked alloy wheels.
Anyone with doubts about the purpose of the 3000 GT need look no further
than the high, blatant rear spoiler wing. This is not a commuter module.

COMFORT: Inside, it is also apparent that the 3000 GT is no commutobox.
Its age shows a bit in the lack of door pockets and afterthought cupholders.
So what? Mitsubishi has made an excellent driver’s car, and the cockpit layout
is designed with that in mind. The cloth- upholstered front sports seats are
supportive and comfortable for a long day’s drive. The driver’s seat is adjustable
in 6 directions. All controls "fall readily to hand", as the old clich goes, and
leather covering on the tilt-adjustable steering wheel and gearshift knob improves
grip on those two most important controls. Instrument placement is good. Even
though the seating position is low, visibility is good for a sports coupe, and
hampered only by the rear wing. Standard power windows, mirrors, and doorlocks,
good ventilation and air conditioning, and a very decent AM/FM/cassette sound
system add civilization. The optional 10-disc CD changer mounts in the rear
luggage area. There is a rear seat, and, as in most sports coupes, it is best
used for extra cargo or short people and brief excursions.


SAFETY: The 1997 Mitsubishi 3000 GT has dual front air bags, and 3-point seat
belts for all occupants.

ROADABILITY: The Mitsubishi 3000 GT earns its "GT" (grand touring) designation,
even in base form. A rigid monocoque chassis and well- designed fully-independent
suspension see to that. The ride is appropriately firm, but not uncomfortable.
The wide, sticky Yokohama A022 tires stick very well indeed, and help give the
car its great cornering abilities. Steering is power-assisted and has just the
right amount of effort. Road feel is very good for a front-wheel drive car, and
torque steer is reasonably well-managed. Four-wheel vented disc brakes ensure
deceleration that matches acceleration. Low levels of wind and road noise help
make the 3000 GT a distance-eating machine.

PERFORMANCE: In standard form, the 3000 GT balances value and performance. It
is quick enough for sporting driving while being priced attainably.
The 2-valve-per-cylinder, single overhead cam 3-liter V6 is torquey,
lightly-stressed, reasonably economical, and very pleasant. The 5-speed manual
transmission in my test car was appropriate for a sports car and shifted smoothly;
the optional 4-speed automatic should work just fine. For those people with a need
for more speed, Mitsubishi has more powerful versions, including the 218-**********
SL and 320-********** VR-4

CONCLUSIONS: The Japanese muscle car lives on with the Mitsubishi 3000 GT.

SPECIFICATIONS

Base Price $ 27,050
Price As Tested $ 28,195
Engine Type single overhead cam 12-valve V6
Engine Size 3.0 liters / 181 cu. in.
********** 161 @ 4400
Torque (lb-ft) 185 @ 4000
Transmission 5-speed manual
Wheelbase / Length 97.2 in. / 180.3 in.
Curb Weight 3131 lbs.
Pounds Per ********** 19.5
Fuel Capacity 19.8 gal.
Fuel Requirement unleaded premium
Tires P225/55 VR16 Yokohama A022A
Brakes, front/rear vented disc / vented disc
Suspension, front/rear independent MacPherson strut /
independent multi-link
Drivetrain front engine, front-wheel drive

PERFORMANCE

EPA Fuel Economy - miles per gallon
city / highway / observed 19/25/21
0 to 60 mph 7.5 sec
¼ mile (E.T.) 16.1 sec
Coefficient of Drag (cd) 0.33

[BogdanNZ]

Originally Posted by Eagleee

Se vede ca filmul The Fast And The Furious a facut o mica impresie ca Skyline-ul e ceea mai bine Japonez...
Apropo, stiat ca este si in sedan (4usi) si coupe-ul din film, mia mult, proam era sedan si dupa aia a venit coupe-ul. Din fiecare model sint ambele.

Da asa e...primul a fost sedanul...acum vreo 3-4 generatii...pe la sf anilor 70-inceputul anilor 80, in schimb masina a ramas doar una din pluton pana la aparitia primului GTR, R32 cred ca prin 90.Inafara de modelele GTR si GTS-T, nu mi-as cumpara skyline, in special hidosenia din poza cu 4 usi...
Deasemenea mai exista si model break pe sasiul de skyline, e numit Stagea si cred ca exista si versiune turbo, nu stiu exact de pe care model, dar ma indoiesc ca are RB26DET.Modelul asta cred ca a fost facut numai JDM...doar unul am vazut si asta la un show de tuning

[Eagleee]

Asa e, dar fiecare motor ce era in coupe era si in sedan:
Model: Tip: cm3 CP An de Fabrucatie
Skyline IX (R33)
2.0 i GTS 1998 125 1995 1998
2.5 i 24V GTS 2499 190 1995 1998
2.5 i 24V Turbo 2499 245 1995 1998
2.5 i 24V Turbo 4 2499 250 1996 1998
Skyline VIII (R32) Vit max.
1.8 i 4 1809 91 175 1985 1995
2.0 i R6 1998 125 190 1985 1995
2.0 i R6 24V Turbo 4WD 1998 155 230 1989 1995
2.5 i R6 24V 2498 180 215 1985 1995
2.0 i R6 24V 1998 215 1985 1995
2.6 i R6 24V Turbo 4WD 2569 220 250 1989 1995
Skyline X (R34)
2.0 i V6 24V 1998 155 180 1998 2001
2.5 i V6 24V 4WD 2498 200 180 1998 2001
2.5 i V6 24V Turbo 2499 280 230 1998 2001

Satea sun date de sedan.