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Lista cu turbine

Ma gandeam sa adunam pe acest topic o lista cu modele de turbine care se gasesc pe anumite masini atat diesel cat si pe benzina
si sa le prezentam la modul

garett T25 se gaseste pe Nissan 200SX CA18DET
benzina
putere maxima ~250CP

garett T28 se gaseste pe Nissan 200SX SR20DET pe skyline RB26DETT
benzina
putere ~300CP

si cand lista va fii destul de cuprinzatoare sa se realizeze un \"articol\" o lista cu modele de turbine tip de carburant si pe ce masini au fost intalnite

Motoare 1.8 T:

150 CP - KKK K03 max 180 CP
180 CP - KKK K03s max. 210-215 CP
210 CP - KKK K04 max. 250-260 CP
225 CP - KKK K04 max. 250-260 CP

1.9 TDI de la VW pe Passat din 1994 cod motor 1Z turbina Garrett GT15 presiune maxima 25 PSI putere medie de lucru 18 PSI

1.8T :

1)150CP - k03 doar pe AGU(injectoare 240cc) si k03s pe toate celelalte(injectoare 270cc)
2)180CP - k03s(injectoare 270cc)
3)210 si 225CP - k04-020/22/23, injectoare 380cc

k03 duce max. 195CP
k03s > 215CP
k04-02x > 260CP

Upgrade-uri :

1)Stage 1 ( pentru k02 si 03s) > k04-001(220CP, in cazul lui k03s nu se merita pentru doar 5CP). In plus turbina are probleme de fiabilitate
2)Stage 2 > Kit Garett T28R, injectoare > 250-260CP
3)Stage 3 > Kit T28RS, MAF housing, manifold,inj, FPR, downpipe 3'', FMIC, DV... >300+CP
4)Stage 4 > nu cunosc modificarile exacte in plus fata de 3) > 400+CP

finally.... Saab 9-3 2.2Tid Garrett GT15...
:wink: :P

PENTRU 3000GT VR-4 SI STEALTH R/T TT

pe Mitsubishi 3000gt vr-4 si Stealth TT
TD04 9B- VERSIUNEA USA
TD04 13G- VERSIUNEA EUROPEANA

PRESIUNE MAXIMA 14PSI, SE REALIZEAZA FOARTE USOR CU MANUAL BOOST CONTROLER, este un robinet ca la acvarii, crestere de 2 sau 3 psi dupa model, mai mult nu se recomanda fara sa schimbi injectoarele, se realizeaza o crestere de aprox 20%, deci cam 60cp, pentru modelul american care are td04 9b si 320cp, ar ajunge pe la 380cp teoretic.
modelul tdo4 13g este mai bun decat 9b, chiar daca versiunea europeana are 286cp nu e decat o chestiune de boost, pe platforma acestuia se realizeaza td04 15g cu care se poate ajunge la 550-650 cp, si un timp la 1/4mile intre 11-12 sec, bineinteles cu toate celelalte setup-uri facute.
am vazut ca si voi cautati turbine eftine, va anunt ca si eu. daca gasiti ceva anuntati-ma si pe mine.

Despre Mitsubishi TD 05 H 12b are cineva ceva date?

am 2 turbine de mit 3000gt,e interesat cineva?

eu sunt interesat de T28, T28BB, GT28R sau GT28RS daca ai asa ceva atuncea sunt interesat

tu esti intodeauna interesat de ceva,dar doar cu vorba
fara suparare.

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Originally Posted by \"300zxtt\"

tu esti intodeauna interesat de ceva,dar doar cu vorba
fara suparare.

Nu ma supar, da sunt interesat de multe chestii dar la un pret ok pentru mine , poate ca faza cu pretul nu am specificat-o pe nicaieri ;)

Renault 5 alpine turbo , are Garett T3

unde gasesc de cumparat motor complet pt Renault 5 alpine turbo:D

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Originally Posted by \"CoolM\"

Renault 5 alpine turbo , are Garett T3

http://www.turbomaster.info/eng/

cea mai completa lista cu turbine care am gasit-o, puteti cauta dupa un model de masina/motor sa va zica cu ce turbina a venit echipat, puteti sa cautati modelul de turbina si sa vedeti toate variatiunile ei si pe ce masini a venit montata, gasiti codul produsului gasit codul kitului de reparatie si la multe din ele gasiti valoarea pt AR, modele te garnituri cu cotele aferente (nu chiar toate cotele dar ajuta) si multe alte informatii utile

[quote=\"fuscobal\"]1.8T :

1)150CP - k03 doar pe AGU(injectoare 240cc) si k03s pe toate celelalte(injectoare 270cc)
2)180CP - k03s(injectoare 270cc)
3)210 si 225CP - k04-020/22/23, injectoare 380cc k03 duce max. 195CP Eu am o Skoda Octavia 1,8 Turbo 20v 150cp tip motor AGU deci ar merge K03....cat costa,unde se gaseste si la cat imi ridica puterea la 180cp sau 195cp.

pai tu acum k03 cu injectoare de 240 cc ai avea nevoi de un k03s care se afla pe octavia 1.8 T vRS, dar cred k nu merita investitzia pt 30 cp, mai indicat ar fii sa iei un k-04 upgrade si injectoare de pe S3 sau cupra R si o potzi ridica pe la 250 CP asta bineantzeles cu chip,admisie.evacuare.

Un K04 cat ajunge, un chip e in jur de 300e, injectoarele cam cat ajung+admisie evacuare.......repet motor 1,8 T 20v motor pe skoda octavia de audi.

lancia delta hf 4wd: T28

Despre seria K03/K04 (de pe forumul Audi Club Cehia):

The Question

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I type this e-mail to you on behalf of many Audi enthusiasts, and myself as an Engineer, who ponder on the same question, as to the interchange-ability of the K03 and K03S turbocharger units.

As a member on one of the largest Audi forums on the web
(www.audi-sport.net), as as a member on many other Golf and Audi forums, I have often seen this subject raised but with no definitive answer ever given, due to a lack of information available. Audi dealers are not technically inept enough to offer an answer, Audi UK are not interested in answering and most aftermarket tuners opt for either the K04 or other brands of turbo so appear not to of looked into the subject.

So the questions are simple;

Can the K03 turbo (5303 988 0011 or 5303 988 0053) be directly replaced by the K03S (5303 988 0052 or 5303 988 0026) in terms of the intake and exhaust housing dimensions?

Is K03S the correct designation for the latter turbo mentioned above?

Obviously if a K03S was fitted an engine map could be changed to suit, but would a standard turbo map for the K03 be suitable for running a K03S on?
or would a loss of power be expected? and are the characteristics of the two very similar?

I hope you can assist with the above and any information you could supply would be gratefully accepted.

It's taken me a couple of weeks to get a response, but the response was worth it, I think yóu'll agree.

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The Answer

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Dear Sir,

thank you for your interest in our products.

First of all, we don't produce any turbo that we call K03S. But I hope I can
answer your questions with the following explanations.

All the following turbos have the same installation dimensions and
thermodynamical performance. The differences are only in the actuator that opens the turbine bypass valve:

K03-011 (5303 988 0011) 150 hp, 65 N actuator
K03-026 180 hp, 85 N actuator
K03-035 180 hp, 85 N actuator
K03-044 150 hp, 65 N actuator
K03-045 156 hp (Ibiza Cupra), 85 N actuator with 2 ports
K03-049 150 hp (Sharan/Alhambra), 65 N actuator

The 180 hp versions have an actuator with a higher opening force due to the higher exhaust gas pressure (which is a consequence of the higher boost pressure). Otherwise the valve would be pushed open by the exhaust gas pressure.

The following turbos are a further development (since 2000) and have an
improved and slightly larger compressor while using the same turbine (still with the same installation dimensions):

K03-052 180 hp, 85 N actuator
K03-053 150 hp, 85 N actuator
K03-058 150 hp/180 hp, 85 N actuator

Consequentially, putting a 180 hp turbo on a 150 hp engine will not bring
about any change in performance, but putting on a K03-052/053/058 instead of the older versions will bring a slight improvement in engine efficiency.

Additionally, with re-mapping the ECU you can achieve about 215 hp without danger of overspeeding the turbo. With the older turbos, 195 hp is the limit.

With the K04 that's also commonly used (5304 950 0001) the power output
should not be more than 220 hp. That means, changing a K03-052/053/058 against a K04 does not make a lot of sense.

I hope that these details answer your questions. If you need more info, one of our service distributors will be glad to help you. Their addresses are on our website www.turbodriven.com.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards,
BorgWarner Turbo Systems GmbH

Sublinierile imi apartin.

~Nautilus

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oameni buni....am dacie si vreau sa-i pun r5gtt
am gasit motor...complet..adika tot ce e sub capota cu 450e merita?
sfat va rog...ca poate trece oferta

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a....
motorul e sub 100000km si in stare f buna
masina intretinuta..dar lovita

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OFFTOPIC

PS: nu stiu raspunsul la intrebare sorry

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pe motorul de 1.6 td VW ce fel de turbina este montata

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cum pot sa mai maresc din turbo puterea la un RS 6,fara sa pun cipuri sau sa modific altceva la motor.ma refer direct din turbo.se pot face ceva modificari minore dupa care sa se simta ceva la puterea masinii?

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oare trebuie multe modificari pentru a instala o turbina?.....nu cunosc si deaceea intreb.....stiu ca nu poti pune orice turbina dar informativ stie cineva?

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Originally Posted by fuscobal (Post 144399)

nu prea inteleg nimic de pe aici si.....
am un S3 motor 18t 209/154 cp/kw asa si as vrea sa ajung cu el undeva pe la vreo 300cp!!! ce ar trebui sa schimb pe el dar sa ma tina motorul nu sa explodeze, folosire cotidiana!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by only_4dan (Post 561451)

Stage 2 sau 3: turbo Garrett GT28RS, injectoare de 380cc, software custom

~Nautilus

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Audi 2.5 tdi ce fel de turbina are? KKK model?

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are cineva idee ce tip de Turbo este montat pe astra g coupte 2.0 turbo? 192 CP stock
kk03s sau kk04 ?

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Ceva interesant despre upgrade de turbo la 1.8T:

I've had a K03, K04 and K03S and the above comments just don't ring true. I don't want to get into the BHP numbers achieved other than to ask if the figures quoted are flywheel or wheel figures as most US tuners tend to only quote WHP.

The K03 and K04 are dated weak turbos in comparison to the K03S. The K04 can move more air than K03S at the same pressure, however the K03S is considerably stronger so can run higher levels of boost. From what I have seen comparing BHP figures there is usually only around 5bhp difference in peak power between the K03S and K04. The big difference is the K03S' stronger midrange and much higher torque. If the two turbo's rolling road graph's were compared the following would be observed:

K03S - Torque comes in early and with a big spike, holds well in the midrange but drops off towards the end. This is reflected in the power with a steep rise but flatenning earlier.

K04 - Torque comes in later due to later spool up, spike isn't has high but torque is flat and holds upto the higher revs. Power is more uniform upto the high revs.

The end result is peak power is about the same for both, they just get there in different ways.

As for the K03 it's a bit pants, low torque and not much happening after 5krpm. With just a remap they give about 185-190bhp with loads of other mods you should be happy if you break 200bhp.

Sursa: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/maint...estions/15649/

~Nautilus

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Si inca ceva: se observa ca producatorul BorgWarner-KKK spune despre turbinele "K03S" (adica K03-xxxx-xxx-x052/053/058 ) ca au "an improved and slightly larger compressor while using the same turbine (still with the same installation dimensions)", fara sa dea nici un fel de cote. Prin diverse articole mai mult sau mai putin informate se spune ca rotorul de la compresor e "cu 1mm mai mare" sau "cu 5mm mai mare", sau "rotor de K04", dar se pare ca nimeni n-a masurat ca sa stie exact cat e, toti vorbesc din auzite :)

Diferenta vizibila e rotorul cu 8 pale fata de cel cu 12 la un K03 "standard"

~Nautilus

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Diferenta e ca unul e hibrid, iar celalatul e "normal", deci fara o diferenta considerabila intre marimea turbinei - compresorului.
Asa sunt turbinele la rallycross si wrc (GT3082R) si din cauza ca turbina e ralativ mica, face presiune la o tuaia mei mica, evident decat una simetrica. Dar daca sutnme prea lacomani poate sa aduca si un drawback, daca turbina e mrea mica, desi face presiune la turatie mica, la turatie mare impiedica evacuarea gazelor de evacuare, de asta de multe ori se pun 2 WG mari care asigura evacuarea completa fara detenta, a se observa la Quattro 2.2 25V si la masinile de rallycross care au motor de 2.0 si restrictor de 32mm si scot peste 600cai...

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Originally Posted by criss (Post 241550)

Despre Mitsubishi TD 05 H 12b are cineva ceva date?

Turbo il gasesti pe motoare VOLVO..
Motoare 1.5L-2.2L cu puteri 150-250cai.

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Corectez ceea ce scriam mai sus despre K03 "S", aflam de pe vwvortex ca:

- K04-001 are rotorul compresorului de 50mm si 8 pale;
- K03 "S" are rotorul compresorului de 51mm, 8 pale si o forma cu totul deosebita a palelor care nu se regaseste la K03 si nici la K04;
- K03 are rotorul compresorului cu 12 pale;
- K04 xxxx-xxx-2015 are rotorul compresorului de 56mm;
- K03 si K03 "S" au rotorul turbinei de 44mm;
- K04-001 are rotorul turbinei de 50mm, egal cu compresorul;
- axul de K03 "S" are diametrul de ~4.6mm la capete si ~7mm la palierul central, K04 are dimensiuni aproximativ egale;

Recordul absolut de putere produs de un 1.8T cu turbo K03 "S" a fost de 258 CP la roti (probabil ~290 CP la volanta), cu presiune turbo de aproape 1.84 bar (limita data de fabricant e de 1.7 bar si e mai bine sa n-o atingi) si injectie de MW50 (metanol + apa, 50% din fiecare).

~Nautilus

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Mai aflam de aici:

http://www.audiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94165

Limita comunicata de fabricant a puterii motorului 1.8T echipat cu K03 "S" este de 220 CP la roti (ceea ce se traduce in ~250 CP la volanta)

~Nautilus

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t28 se regaseste si pe Nissan Sunny Gti-r SR20DET.....