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UNLORD 08-04-18 14:31
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adrian78bmw 09-04-18 19:24
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adrian78bmw 12-04-18 09:32
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UNLORD 13-04-18 09:45
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In testul Car & Driver, M5-ul parea mai rapid cu 0.1 s in aproape toate disciplinele, insa de la 0-150 mph, Mercedesul reusise sa surmonteze diferenta, dar si masuratorile se opreau acolo, iar eu m-am intrebat daca nu cumva, clasamentul se schima dupa viteza aia. Insa dupa noile masuratori A.m.s., nu mai am niciun dubiu ca AMG E63S+ este regele, avantajul de 2.2 s la 280 de kmh este enorm, asadar speranta BMW-ului se va pune in competiton pack, una peste alta, AMG-ul face legea in linie dreapta si atunci cand are un handicap de peste 100 de kg, chapeau! Asteptam sa le vedem pe circuit, acolo situatia poate fi in avantajul BMW-ului, desi putini si le vor cumpara pt asta.

P.s. Banuiala mea e ca la Bmw si Audi, calcaiul lui ahile este cutia de viteze.

adrian78bmw 15-04-18 08:46
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UNLORD 15-04-18 11:11
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E63s+ pus pe dyno:
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UNLORD 17-04-18 11:53
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Cateva date din testul Sportauto.de cu BMW M5 vs. Cadillac CTS-V vs. Mercedes AMG E63 S vs. Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid. Au dat castigator Bmw-ul, cu cel mai bun timp pe circuit si cea mai buna acceleratie 0-200km/h, pacat ca nu au masurat accelaratia pana la 300 kmh, ca le strica E 63 S-ul combinatia...

1st: BMW M5 (84 points)
Weight: 1904 kg
Tires: Pirelli P Zero
Price (incl relevant options): 128.600€
0-40: 1,2 s
0-100: 3,3 s
0-160: 7,1 s
0-200: 10,9 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 35,0/32,9 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 129,5 m
Slalom: 70,0 kph
Laptime: 1.10,6 min

2nd: Cadillac CTS-V (75 points)
Weight: 1899 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Price (incl relevant options): 98.900€
0-40: 1,5 s
0-100: 4,3 s
0-160: 8,5 s
0-200: 13,2 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,5/34,9 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 146,8 m
Slalom: 69,6 kph
Laptime: 1.12,6 min

3rd: Mercedes-AMG E 63 S (72 points)
Weight: 2040 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Price (incl relevant options): 132.245€
0-40: 1,1 s
0-100: 3,5 s
0-160: 7,3 s
0-200: 11,1 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,3/35,8 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 141,2 m
Slalom: 68,4 kph
Laptime: 1.11,3 min

4th: Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid (69 points)
Weight: 2370 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 N0
Price (incl relevant options): 187.521€
0-40: 1,1 s
0-100: 3,4 s
0-160: 7,5 s
0-200: 11,5 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,2/35,0 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 138,6 m
Slalom: 67,7 kph
Laptime: 1.11,5 min

specialist 17-04-18 13:21
Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
ce rahat a facut porsche cu panamera, facand-o hybrid si distrugand totul dpdv dynamic.

este clar ca Mercedes declara cu mult mai putini cai putere decat are motorul in realitate, tocmai pentru ca daca ar recunoaste cei peste 700cp, acest E AMG ar parea ridicol de lent raportand cu caii putere.
probabil si M5 are mai multi cp, insa cu siguranta peste 50cp sub AMG.

mi se pare ciudat ca din 4.4 litri, bmw declara 750NM, iar Mercedes din 4 litri declara 850NM, ceea ce consider a fi real din partea Mercedes in ceea ce priveste cuplul insa nu si caii putere.

sincer, as alege negresit M5 daca as avea bani, handlingul fiind net superior(vazut din prisma mea care nu am acces la astfel de masini, ci doar observ niste masuratori pe net) si as putea trai fara probleme cu faptul ca atunci cand AMG ajunge la 300, M5 are doar 295km/h.
plus felul in care franeaza M5...
se va rezolva si micul handicap al accelerarii cu cei 25cp extra cand va aparea competition package pt bmw.

si nu cred ca ZF8 este cu nimic inferior cutiei Mercedes, totul fiind de fapt caii putere declarati. chiar nu poti compensa cu una cu doua, diferenta de 140kgin defavoarea Mercedes.

UNLORD 18-04-18 14:27
Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Si eu zic ca ZF8-ul e o cutie f. buna, as spune ca e superioara asteia de pe Mercedes ca mod de operare, in speta 8HP95 care echipeaza modele M si RS, doar ca are limita de cuplu la 900 Nm pt benzina si 1000 Nm pt diesel, in timp ce aia de la Mercedes poate trece de valoarile astea, de aia am spus ca este calcaiul lui ahile, dar nu am mai apucat sa editez, ca expirase timpul.

In alta ordine de idei, M2-ul a primit o varianta Performance, din fericire au inlocuit motorul N55 cu cel de pe pe M3/M4, insa s-a ingrasat si 55 de kg, mai multe detalii aici: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...hotos-and-info

adrian78bmw 18-04-18 17:49
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UNLORD 22-04-18 10:53
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Un fel de review, dar foarte slabutz, de la Carwow, desi in rest sunt destul de ok.
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adrian78bmw 22-04-18 16:40
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UNLORD 22-04-18 21:06
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UNLORD 24-04-18 17:02
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UNLORD 04-05-18 09:47
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UNLORD 04-05-18 18:16
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adrian78bmw 05-05-18 08:33
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UNLORD 05-05-18 09:16
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UNLORD 05-05-18 09:45
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Masuratori Autobild (din pacate sunt pana la 200km/h) cu BMW M5 vs. Mercedes-AMG E 63 S. Acceleratia 0-200km/h in 10.5 este wow, e prima data cand BMW-ul mareste ecartul fata de E63, e adevarat, sunt si 135 kg intre ele, desi pe circuit, nu prea se simte diferenta (BMW M5: 1:31,08min / E63S: 1:31,46 min). Totusi, pt mine, AMG-ul ramane o masina mai spectaculoasa (la exterior), mai masculina si mai de bonkers, in timp ce BMW-ul e un pic mai rafinat, un allrounder mai bun si cu un interior mai reusit. Bani sa ai, ca ambele ofera chestii f. tari care in cele din urma tin de gust.

UNLORD 05-05-18 10:26
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Comparativ Autozeitung Audi RS 4 vs. BMW Alpina B3 S. Impresionanta valoarea din dreptul masei la RS4, nu stiu cum au reusit sa faca breakul mai usor ca varianta coupe, practic e mai usoara ca toate RS5-urile testate anterior, sau poate e o eroare la mijloc si in loc de 7 este 8, ar fi mai plauzibil, mai asteptam si alte masuratori. La fel de impresionant este si cuplul pe care l-au scos cei de la Alpina, B3 S-ul reusind sa recupereze la 200km/h, oricum, doua breakuri interesante si potente.

specialist 05-05-18 12:05
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e gresita masa la rs4.
un avant 2.0tdi , cutie manuala si fwd are aproape 1700kg.
cand pui 2 cilindri in plus, inca o turbina, awd si cutie automata iesi clar la peste 1.8 tone

UNLORD 06-05-18 10:04
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UNLORD 06-05-18 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5877453)
e gresita masa la rs4.
un avant 2.0tdi , cutie manuala si fwd are aproape 1700kg.
cand pui 2 cilindri in plus, inca o turbina, awd si cutie automata iesi clar la peste 1.8 tone
Asa e, Autozeitung bateau campii, in testul asta are o masa plauzibila de 1805 kg: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...-13551647.html

adrian78bmw 11-05-18 07:05
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UNLORD 28-05-18 20:49
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UNLORD 01-06-18 09:18
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UNLORD 01-06-18 10:08
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UNLORD 04-06-18 18:18
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UNLORD 05-06-18 19:10
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Ce masini misto, plus firme grave ca Mechatronik iar Shmee e nelipsit de la borcanu cu miere:
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UNLORD 08-06-18 07:50
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Comparativ Autobild: Audi RS5 vs. Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio.

adrian78bmw 10-06-18 22:16
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UNLORD 11-06-18 13:45
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Comparativ Autozeitung.de: BMW M5 vs. Mercedes-AMG E 63 S vs. Porsche Panamera

UNLORD 12-06-18 16:12
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UNLORD 13-06-18 16:59
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adrian78bmw 15-06-18 22:12
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adrian78bmw 27-06-18 13:33
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UNLORD 30-06-18 10:07
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adrian78bmw 09-07-18 18:33
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adrian78bmw 19-07-18 17:17
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adrian78bmw 31-07-18 21:56
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