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Test cu masuratori de la Autobild: Audi RS5 vs. Bmw M4 C.P.

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Destul de impresionat ca RS5 sta langa M4 comp pack cu 120 de kg in plus.
Contidrom handling courses
Audi 1:34.83 minutes vs 1:34.17 minutes BMW
Nu stiu cauciucurile daca sunt in aceeasi liga, Hankook Ventus S1 Evo pe RS5 si Michelin Pilot Supersport pe M4. Aveti careva idee? Mi-e cam lene sa caut :)

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Eu zic ca motorul de pe RS5 are undeva la +500cp de acolo vine plusul de performanta care compenseaza greutatea in plus dar sunt dezamagit pe circuit nu se vede avantajul clar care vine la dragrace cei de la Audi nu au putut sa treaca peste problema subvirarii

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Fara o filmare nu poti sa stii nimic, doar niste numere pe hartie.

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eu zic ca atat m5 cat si rs6 cand va fi, nu vor avea ce alege din E amg. asa a fost mereu

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Source : EVO UK, November 2017

THE VERDICT

WE WERE EXPECTING THE arguments to rage for days over this one, but in the final reckoning, the finishing order proved to be easier to settle on than we ever imagined. That’s not to say the end result wasn’t surprising…

Audi RS5

It’s often difficult to shake off preconceptions when putting together tests like this, particularly when it comes to fast Audis, but the latest RS5 turned our expectations on their head. It’s the RS5’s wide bandwidth of abilities that’s truly astonishing; at the touch of a button it can be turned from the GT car Audi claims it to be to a steely cored performance coupe.‘ Slowly but surely, it becomes apparent that this is a serious car,’ says Towler. ‘Its performance is instant and savage, but it’s the sophistication of its damping – the same quality that makes it such an easy car to live with – that is the key to its real-world pace.’ If there’s a criticism, it’s that the Audi lacks instant access to thrills. There’s excitement there, but you have to dig a little deeper to find the qualities that make you appreciate it more. Does it do enough to topple the Mercedes-AMG C63 S? Yes, but by the narrowest of margins.

Mercedes AMG C63 S

Make no mistake, we love the bombastic and entertaining C63 S, particularly its firecracker of an engine – the twin-turbo V8 is one of the best in the business. Yet while its instant-gratification fun is hard to resist, its abilities are a little uneven in this company, and its hefty kerb weight means it is the slowest at the track (and thirstiest at the pumps). Factor in its poor cabin build and a hefty £7485 premium over the next cheapest car here and its fate behind the Audi is sealed. Barker sums it up nicely: ‘Overall, it doesn’t feel as well resolved or as engaging as the other two. It has the most attention-grabbing exhaust note, but in this company Mercedes is selling the sizzle, not the sausage.’

BMW M4 CP

So where does that leave the M4? Way out in front is the short answer. It’s taken BMW a while, but this 2018MY Competition Package version is the car the M4 should have been from the start. From its near-perfect weight distribution to its pared-back kerb weight, the fast and fun BMW feels like a car that’s been developed with the driver’s best interests at heart. ‘It has an authenticity to it that cuts through the challenge of the other two,’ says Towler. ‘It shines brightly pretty much all the time. Whatever the mood, whatever the journey, the M4 feels like an event, like a real performance car, like a car to covet and treasure.’ Like a winner.

TRACK TIMES

Venue Bedford Autodrome.

C63S 1:25.6
RS5 1:25.0
M4 CP 1:23.4

ACCELERATION

The C63 roar to 60mph in 4.3sec, which is a few tenths behind Merc’s claim of 3.9sec to 62 but an impressive achievement when you consider the C63 tips our scales at a portly 1847kg.

The carbonfibre-roofed M4 is far trimmer, weighing in at just 1645kg. This helps explain why it’s just a tenth slower to 60mph than the C63, despite a 59bhp power deficit. That’s about as big as the gap gets between these two, and remarkably they both flash past 150mph in 21.1sec.

The RS5 catapults off the line like a fighter jet being fired down the deck of an aircraft carrier. The result is 60mph in a laugh-out-loud 3.6sec. Audi modestly claims 3.9sec to 62. However, the Audi’s mass and weaker top end tell eventually and beyond 100mph it starts to lose ground to the other two. By 150mph it’s a full two seconds in arrears.

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se tine bine RS7 construit pe o platforma tehnica veche de 7 ani.
then again, a aparut M5, la anul va fi si RS7 pe platform noua si Mercedes va cobora acolo unde ii este locul, adica pe 3.

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Nush, dar arata demential AMG-ul, la mine conteaza mai mult decat niste cifre, care si asa sunt extrem de apropiate. Noul M5 mi se pare foarte audizat la design, Bmw tre sa faca ceva cu designu', mai nou au dat in mania narilor umflate.

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Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5868798)

Corect!

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Masuratori Autobild: Audi RS 5/BMW M4/Mercedes-AMG C 63 S. Interesant ca apar si masuratori motor la dyno, in tabel. Smecheria la Audi e cuplul, ca la putere nu e mare diferenta.

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mi se pare un super fail acest RS5.
gras ca un porc, cele mai proaste frane, total depasit la rolling, cel mai slab handling pe circuit.

e drept, ca nici M4 sau C-amg nu sunt in variantele standard, dar totusi...

audi deja a anunat niste masuri de coborare a greutatii pt RS4/5cu un pachet carbon edition: 60kg pt rs5 respective 80kg pt RS4 si poate doar atunci sa recupereze partial dezavantajul fata de competitive

http://fourtitude.com/news/audi-offe...rbon-editions/

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Asta vad ca are plafonu de carbon care salveaza cica doar vreo 3 kile,avea ceramice si e mai usor ca ultimul testat, totusi ala vechi nu prea cobora sub 1800 kg, e decenet configurata si pretul in test e f. bun pt o masina awd, spre deosebire de aberatia din dreptul M4-lui, care costa fix cat M4 CS. Oricum o sa fie cele mai rapide la liniute si pe strada, ca lumea le chipuieste si sa vezi atunci ce se schimba treaba.

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configuratie asta e la a 3-a sau a 4-a revizuire la Bmw (S63).
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Iar nu arata care cu ce rpm porneste? Ce prosteala pe fata.

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da, prosteala pe fata.
se vede clar ca masinile otto nu pleaca lansate pt ca anterior nu sun laste de fund din cauza franei si acceleratiei apasste simultan.
anyway, merge a dracului M760-ul la cat e de mare

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Eu spun una tu imi spui de cu totul altceva. Nu mai are rost discutia.

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Foarte slab M4 sau e prea bun GTS

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Greu de batut 900 Nm, drept urmare S63AMG este noul campion la acceleratie (cel putin pana la 200km/h, desi mi-e greu sa cred ca se mai poate intampla ceva si dupa): Alpina B7 Biturbo, BMW M760iL und Mercedes-AMG S 63

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Incredibil de performant AMG GT-R pe viraje si pe circuite tehnice, sa bati cu peste o secunda masini ca Huracan Performante sau McLaren 720S este intradevar o mare realizare a diviziei AMG (si a colaborarii cu Multimatic): R&T Performance Car of the Year. Observ ca la proba de acceleratie pe sfert de mila, 720S a coborat sub 10 secunde, ceea ce mi se pare extraordinar pt o masina rwd, desi masuratorile sunt date cu one foot of rollout (si atmospheric corrections), care iti mai taie un ~ 0.2, 0.3 secunde din timpul masurat. Desi au dat McLarenul castigator, rezultatul Mercedesului mi se pare mai relevant in contextul testului.

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Comparativ cu masuratori de la Autobild.de: Audi RS6 Performace vs. Mercedes-Amg E63S T-modell

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Comparativ cu masuratori de la Autobild.de: Audi S5 Coupé vs. BMW 440i M Performance vs. Mercedes AMG C 43.

p.s. ma asteptam la C43 sa nu aiba mila cu concurenta, dar se pare ca la viteza mari se plafoneaza mai rau ca S5-ul (desi e un pic mai usor). Power kitul M Performace pt BMW se pare ca nu e degeaba, mai ales ca il mai scoate din anonimat, dar vine cu un cost, BMW-ul fiind si cel mai scump din comparativ (probabil ca la unele chestii din carbon cand configurezi masina, se poate renunta).

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am observat si eu des ca audi S sau RS trage de rupe pana la 200 iar apoi se plafoneaza grav

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