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UNLORD 20-04-17 16:44

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un articol slabutz scris sau probabil tradus din germana: https://www.auto-bild.ro/headline/po...-7-121299.html

UNLORD 20-04-17 17:23

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l-am postat gresit, poate il muta un admin unde trebuie si sterge si comentu asta :) merci.

specialist 20-04-17 19:16

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Originally Posted by adrian78bmw (Post 5856240)
Astept comparativul cu RS5
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Nu are ce comparatie sa fie cu Rs5.

Acest M4 este plin de carbon si alte chestii. E o editie speciala si rs5 nu se poate pune decat la motor, fiind si la jumatate de pret.
Nu este fair sa de compare chestiile special construite cu produse de serie.
Rs5 doar cu un M4 normal

aleks 23-04-17 16:13

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Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5856280)
l-am postat gresit, poate il muta un admin unde trebuie si sterge si comentu asta :) merci.

nu prea am unde sa-l mut, ramane pe-aici :)

UNLORD 28-04-17 13:33

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adrian78bmw 21-05-17 19:46

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UNLORD 22-05-17 16:12

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UNLORD 31-05-17 08:52

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Impresionant proiectul hypercarului AMG (Project 1), care in alta ordine de idei, anul asta si-a propus sa vanda peste 100.000 de bucati: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-1-powertrain/

UNLORD 31-05-17 16:01

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adrian78bmw 03-06-17 11:26

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adrian78bmw 04-06-17 11:20

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UNLORD 27-06-17 21:08

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Trage ca nebunu' motorul asta de pe S63 S:
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ryoraul 28-06-17 14:00

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Nu mi se par concludente aceste videouri , aici parca sunt la egalitate dar cand filmeaza masinile una din ele ramane in spate si nu doar la acest video.

adrian78bmw 30-06-17 13:04

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Audi a sugerat că viitoarele modele de performanță ar putea fi oferite și cu tracțiune spate, deși în mod tradițional sunt disponibile doar cu tracțiune integrală.

Unul dintre punctele de atracție ale oricărui model Audi de performanță este utilizarea unui sistem cu tracțiune integrală Quattro. De altfel, acest sistem a dat pentru o lungă perioadă de timp și numele diviziei de performanță a constructorului german, care recent a fost schimbat în Audi Sport.
Cu ocazia Festivalului Vitezei de la Goodwood, Stephan Winkelmann, șeful celor de la Audi Sport, a sugerat că schimbarea ar putea avea implicații mai mari, cum ar fi dezvoltarea unor modele cu tracțiune spate.

"Am decis că numele Quattro poate fi înșelător. Quattro este sistemul cu tracțiune integrală și este unul dintre lucrurile care a făcut ca Audi să fie grozav, dar în opinia noastră nu este numele potrivit pentru companie. De asemenea, îmi pot imagina că putem avea mașini cu tracțiune spate în viitor", a declarat el.

Winkelmann nu a oferit informații suplimentare pe marginea acestui subiect, însă șansele ca în viitor să apară modele Audi RS cu tracțiune spate sunt destul de mici. Principala explicație este că Audi ar fi nevoită să dezvolte o nouă platformă pentru aceste modele, în contextul în care germanii se confruntă cu probleme de vânzări și pun accent pe lansarea unor modele electrice.

UNLORD 08-07-17 11:13

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adrian78bmw 08-07-17 19:36

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UNLORD 11-07-17 08:17

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UNLORD 11-07-17 10:06

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Originally Posted by Giully4u (Post 5853279)
Impresionanta Alfa. Frumoasa si performanta. Au dat lovitura.

Asa e, problema e ca nu iti vine sa iti cumperi cand apar cioace si glitchuri in permanenta, italian style. La fel si in testul C&D unde a iesit pe primul loc "Another reminder that we were in an Italian car hit us when we briefly warmed up the Giulia using the remote-start feature. After we entered the car and pushed the start button, the Alfa died. A quick restart illuminated the check-engine light and brought up two messages: “Service Electronic Throttle Control” and “Service Engine.” The Giulia still drove, but it wouldn’t move out of its low-boost advanced-efficiency mode. Fortunately, at the next stop, our always prepared assistant technical editor, David Beard, plugged in his OBD II scanner and cleared the codes. It cured the Alfa, but the fault returned when, in the interest of science, we tried remote-starting the car again. Alfa should include an OBD II scanner as standard equipment, and customers should consider themselves part of the development team. We are willing to overlook this hiccup, but it’s a reminder that Italian cars are part comedy and part tragedy. In the Giulia’s case, the comedy far outweighs the tragedy, at least for now. ":
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adrian78bmw 22-07-17 13:02

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adrian78bmw 22-07-17 13:45

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UNLORD 03-08-17 19:25

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UNLORD 04-08-17 07:42

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De la TPG tuning vine primul M4 (DCT) care a coborat sub 10s pe sfertul de mila (9.98 @ 145.02), asta dupa o investitie de peste 100.000 de $ si cu sacrificiul a 6 turbine, 2 cardane, 32 valve indoite, un motor explodat s.am.d., detalii mai multe, aici: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1383623
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UNLORD 06-08-17 14:18

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adrian78bmw 08-08-17 11:06

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UNLORD 09-08-17 18:35

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Giully4u 12-08-17 10:48

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UNLORD 16-08-17 13:20

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Foamea de bani de la Bmw loveste in divizia M. In scurt timp toate modele M3/M4 (cu exceptia CS si GTS) vor primi in locul mult marketatului cardan din CFRP unul conventional din otel, vezi doamne trebuie sa intruneasca nush ce emisii si sa acomodeze un filtru "petrol particulate filter (PPF)". Bmw a vandut pana acum 68.000 de bucati si probabil ca in putinii ani ramasi, ar mai trage un pic la profit, de unde se poate. Jenibil.

"Munich. From November 2017 onwards, the CFRP driveshaft in the BMW M3 Sedan, BMW M4 Coupe and BMW M4 Convertible high-performance sports cars (fuel consumption combined: 9.5 – 8.3 l/100 km [29.7 – 34.0 mpg imp], CO2 emissions combined: 218 –194 g/km) will be gradually replaced by an M specific high-performance driveshaft made of steel. This measure will create the necessary technical basis for meeting future statutory emissions requirements. At a later point in time, a petrol particulate filter (PPF) will be incorporated into the existing installation space in these models in major markets.

The newly developed steel driveshaft has been designed to ensure the superlative performance and handling qualities of the BMW M3/M4 high-performance sports cars remain unaffected."

UNLORD 21-08-17 23:22

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Bmw M5

UNLORD 22-08-17 18:48

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ryoraul 22-08-17 19:40

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De ce iti place sa induci si sa impui ideea ca BMW are probleme cu banii, de unde stii tu?

UNLORD 23-08-17 09:26

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Bani au, dar vor mai multi, probabil trebuia sa scriu "foamea de profit". Pai de ce sa mai vinda M3/M4 cu un cardan scump de CFRP cand pot sa puna unul banal si mult mai ieftin din otel ? Sau de ce sa mai vanda viitoare modele M cu transmisie DCT cand ar putea sa o puna numai pe aia automata de la ZF. Pe vremuri cand iti lui un model M, aveai exclusivitate la capitolul motor (asta a tinut pana la E9x) si transmisie (smg/dct). In curand nu vei mai primi nici una nici alta. Ba mai mult, pe M2-ul ti-l vand cu un motor mediocru (N55B30T0), desi in restul gamei au adus B58-ul, care se pare ca are mai mult cuplu si bate M2-ul la viteze mari (era un video M2 (N55) vs. 240i (B58 ). Si iti mai gasesc... :)

UNLORD 24-08-17 20:45

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adrian78bmw 26-08-17 10:27

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Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5868048)
Bani au, dar vor mai multi, probabil trebuia sa scriu "foamea de profit". Pai de ce sa mai vinda M3/M4 cu un cardan scump de CFRP cand pot sa puna unul banal si mult mai ieftin din otel ? Sau de ce sa mai vanda viitoare modele M cu transmisie DCT cand ar putea sa o puna numai pe aia automata de la ZF. Pe vremuri cand iti lui un model M, aveai exclusivitate la capitolul motor (asta a tinut pana la E9x) si transmisie (smg/dct). In curand nu vei mai primi nici una nici alta. Ba mai mult, pe M2-ul ti-l vand cu un motor mediocru (N55B30T0), desi in restul gamei au adus B58-ul, care se pare ca are mai mult cuplu si bate M2-ul la viteze mari (era un video M2 (N55) vs. 240i (B58 ). Si iti mai gasesc... :)

O sa apara M2CS

January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
March 2019: M2 GTS goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)
Time will tell if the above information is accurate. Interesting, to say the least. First time that I read that the M2 GTS is definitely scheduled. I thought it was just some pipe dream. But actually, this could make sense if you consider BMW M special models history: a limited edition M2 GTS as the final curtain call for the first-generation M2 (end of production: 2020).

UNLORD 03-09-17 14:14

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ryoraul 03-09-17 18:53

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O mare vrajeala de test, nu arata la cate rpm porneste fiecare, daca e activat launch controlul...

UNLORD 04-09-17 10:50

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Nu e singurul comparativ de cacat pe care il "reusesc" astia de la Carwow, se pare ca de ceva timp numai gherle dau cand vine vorba de liniute. Asta pe langa faptul ca nu iti dau vreun trapspeed, ultima gogomanie e o liniuta intre modele M cu un rezultat cel putin bizar, iar cireasa de pe tort e cand constati ca M2-ul (manual) e in treapta a 3-a la 80km/h: www.youtube.com/embed/bCu0Z71QRF0?. Cam lame.

specialist 04-09-17 11:55

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e vorba de 80mph.
si cred ca de fapt schimba intr-a 3-a la 75mph(super redline), deci aprox 120km/h.

nu imi pare nimic anormal cu ultimile doua linkuri.

Giully4u 04-09-17 12:02

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Nu mi se pare deloc subturat in treapta a 3-a la 80km/h. Daca era sa faca in treapta a 2-a, trebuia sa plece de la ~5600rpm ceea ce era un pic cam sus, pierdea schimband a 3-a tot ce a castigat plecand in a 2-a.

@Specialist, e vorba de 50mph.

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UNLORD 05-09-17 16:48

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UNLORD 06-09-17 11:05

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Car&Driver's Lightning Lap 2017. 19 New Performance Cars Attack America's Most Grueling Racetrack!

p.s. Chapeau Mercedes, nu ma asteptam la un asemenea rezultat, mai ales cand ai Porsche Turbo S printre concurenti.


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