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UNLORD

11-01-17 10:03

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specialist

12-01-17 08:51

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se pare ca RS4/RS5 vor avea un upgrade al motorului de la panamera 4S adica 450cp si 600NM cu productie din iunie 2017 pt RS5 repectiv decembrie pt RS4

http://www.motor1.com/news/133393/au...-specs-leaked/

ryoraul

12-01-17 22:47

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Din ramasitele de motoare de la Porsche s-au gandit sa i le dea celor de la Audi.

Giully4u

29-01-17 22:20

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Rasfoiam internetul cautand comparatii de acceleratie intre M4 si TT RS, stiind ca TT-ul e pocket rocket. Ce nu ma asteptam e asta:
Auto Zeitung
TT-RS 1'36"20 vs 1'38"90 M4
Hockenheim court
TT-RS 1'11"20 vs 1'12"30 M4
Autocar
TT-RS 1'10"80 vs 1'12"50 M4
Contidrom (3.8 km)
TT-RS 1:33.60 vs 1:32.78 M4
Sachsenring
TT-RS 1:37.22 vs 1:37.53 M4

Daca noile RS4/RS5 o sa functioneze la fel de bine ca TT-ul, M4 va avea din nou competitie.

400m
TT-RS 12.00 vs 12.20 M4
1km
TT-RS 22.20 vs 22.30 M4

0-100
TT-RS 3.70 vs 4.30 M4
0-100
TT-RS 3.70 vs 4.30 M4
0-200
TT-RS 13.40 vs 13.70 M4
0-240
TT-RS 21.10 vs 22.20 M4

Sursa:
http://www.zeperfs.com/duel6234-5975.htm

UNLORD

30-01-17 08:17

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TT RS functioneaza ca uns si din cauza masei relativ mici pe care o are, desi nu pare f. mica in comparatia cu M2-ul din linkul postat de tine. Pt ca RS4/RS5 sa faca fata, e foarte important sa slabeasca, la 1800+ de kg nu faci mare scofala pe curbe (si nici la viteze superioare in linie dreapta). 200 de kg diferenta este un mare handicap cu care vor pleca, sa vedem daca vor avea cum sa puna la dieta caroseria, pt ca mananca bani chestia asta si Audi nu sta tocmai pe roze din punct de vedere financiar (gratie Dieselgate).

p.s. Exista si Competition pack pt M3/M4 la 450 hp care teoretic ar trebui sa fie cu cateva zecimi mai rapid decat cel standard (atat pe curbe, cat si in linie dreapta).

Giully4u

30-01-17 09:01

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Intr-adevar am dat link-ul gresit, trebuia cu M4 :D
Pentru Competition pack nu am gasit decat un timp comparativ cu celelalte 2, si intr-adevar e mai rapid, dar nu ceva wow.
Sachsenring 1:36.89
Si deja pretul sare cu inca 10k pretul standard pt M4.
Link-ul corect e asta:
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel6234-5334.htm

UNLORD

30-01-17 09:17

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Mercedes sunt pe cai mari si cand vine vorba de divizia sportiva AMG, cu o crestere fabuloasa de 44.1%.
Crestere sanatoasa a avut si Audi Sport Gmbh in 2016, respectiv 18%, urmati de M Gmbh cu un modest 9%.
https://imgr4.auto-motor-und-sport.d...88-1002716.jpg
Sursa: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...16-698340.html

specialist

30-01-17 21:15

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cand baza de calcul este mica, 18% nu inseamna mare lucru.
la numar absolut de bucati , M a crescut cu aproape dublu fata de RS.

nu imi dau seama daca la bmw si Mercedes intra si acele entrylevel facute pt S-urile de la Audi(M550, C43 etc). probabil ca da...

UNLORD

31-01-17 14:11

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mai mult ca sigur.

UNLORD

08-02-17 19:55

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Giully4u

08-02-17 20:38

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Impresionanta Alfa. Frumoasa si performanta. Au dat lovitura.

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ryoraul

09-02-17 22:45

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DaCA COmparam alfa cu BMW e clar.

adrian78bmw

19-02-17 09:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5852926)

In 2016, BMW sold nearly 68,000 “M” models- around 37,500 true-bred M cars and approximately 30,400 M Performance cars (see: M235i and X6 M …

In 2016, BMW sold nearly 68,000 “M” models- around 37,500 true-bred M cars and approximately 30,400 M Performance cars (see: M235i and X6 M 50d).

The number is far less than the 99,235 cars sold by rival, Mercedes-AMG, but it represents a nine percent growth over 2015 and is the best-ever figure posted by BMW’s performance division.

With new arrivals and improved engineering, sales are only expected to increase in the coming years and BMWBLOG takes a look at what the short- to mid-term future holds for the M GmbH

Giully4u

20-02-17 13:09

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specialist

20-02-17 19:03

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Mie mi se pre ca acest tt-rs este o masina care face fata unora de 600cp la regim de autostrada iar potentialul de tuning este imens.
Practic, daca vrei dragster si in acelasi timp nu ultima coaja de masina, nu stiu ce varianta mai buna ar fi

UNLORD

25-02-17 04:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ryoraul (Post 5853333)

DaCA COmparam alfa cu BMW e clar.

Sh nu as avea incredere, doar de noua, cu garantie :)
P.s. Test C&D cu masuratori: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

adrian78bmw

04-03-17 15:22

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adrian78bmw

07-03-17 11:49

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Audi prezinta oficial noul RS5 Coupe
Sportiva bavareza ofera un V6 de 450 CP
Primii 100 km/h vin dupa 3.9 secunde

https://www.4tuning.ro/masini-tari/m...che-34026.html

ryoraul

07-03-17 12:06

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Pai tot atata a avut si vechiul RS5 nu?

UNLORD

07-03-17 16:13

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Dau ei intentionat cifre mai conservatoare, astia de la autobild dau masa la dry la 1655 kg, adica cu fluide and stuff ca sa o pui pe pista te duce spre 1775 kg in versiune chelioasa pana dupa 1800+ kg in versiunile burdusite de optiuni. Motorul sigur e mai potent asa ca ma astept pe la un 0-100 km/h intr ~ 3.5-3.8 s. http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...g-9110647.html

UNLORD

08-03-17 11:41

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in cativa ani Mercedes a ajuns sa aiba cam cele mai potente motoare, dupa 2 diesel si asta e peste motorizarile de 3.0 turbo de la Audi & Bmw, e adevarat, are 2 turbine, bravo lor:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/jagua...ts-comparison/

adrian78bmw

08-03-17 15:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5854541)

Parca o sa vina 6L de 3.0 si 399cp
Nu stiu de ce BMW au ramas asa in urma pentru ca aveau cele mai puternice aspirate

adrian78bmw

08-03-17 15:17

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http://bmwblog.ro/stiri/video-alpina...-m5-35-secunde

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UNLORD

08-03-17 15:57

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608 hp, 800 Nm, 0-100 km/h 3.5 sec, 0-200 km/h 11.4 sec, X-Drive, topspeed 330(325)km/h nu e rau pt un porc de 2015 kg (touring are 105 kg in plus) ... nu prea a slabit seria 5 in realitate.
http://i64.tinypic.com/25ztnbc.jpg

adrian78bmw

08-03-17 17:46

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M550xdrive are 1885kg sa fie vorba doar de optionale in plus?
Un 540Ixdrive are 1735kg cele 100kg in plus sunt greutatea V8-ului?
Parca ziceau cei de la BMW ca vin cu un V8 nou de 4.0l

UNLORD

08-03-17 17:51

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depinde cum e luata si greutatea, fara fluide, fara/cu sofer etc...mai asteptam teste cu masuratori sa vedem exact. (Dry/Unladen/Curb w.etc).

p.s. Curb weight is the total weight (mass) of an automobile when not loaded with either passengers or cargo. It is generally provided as a statistic about automobile weights, along with gross weight, which represents the weight of an automobile when fully loaded. The difference between gross weight and curb weight is the total passenger and cargo weight capacity of the vehicle.

The "unladen weight" of a vehicle is the weight equipped and ready for operation on the road including the body, fenders, oil in motor, radiator full of water, with five gallons of gasoline or equivalent weight of other motor fuel.

Definitions:

Curb Weight = Weight of Car with standard accessories, full fluids, no driver
EU Weight (BMW) = Weight of Car with 90% fuel, 68 kg driver, 7 kg carg
1 US Gallon = 3.8 liters
Weight of 1 US Gallon of Gasoline = 6.35 pounds (2.87 kg)
Weight of 1 liter of Gasoline = 1.67 pounds (0.76 kg)

Equations for Weight Conversion:

Curb Weight (metric) = EU1 Weight - 68kg for driver - 7 kg for cargo + (0.1 X Fuel Capacity X 0.76)
EU Weight (metric) = Curb Weight + 68 kg for driver + 7 kg for cargo - (0.1 X Fuel Capacity X 0.76)
1 KG = 2.2 pounds

specialist

09-03-17 07:35

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este sufficient ca modelul Alpina sa vina in standard cu roti de 20 inch si echiparea audio de varf cu 17 difuzoare si amplificator in portbagaj iar M550xi sa vina cu roti de 18 sau 19 si instalatie audio standard cu 6 difuzoare si de acolo sunt peste 50kg diferenta.
unei masini poti sa ii pui optionale de peste 100kg

UNLORD

10-03-17 17:14

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adrian78bmw

13-03-17 08:45

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Parca suna cam fad noul V6

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adrian78bmw

13-03-17 16:48

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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...-11501324.html

UNLORD

13-03-17 17:40

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UNLORD

27-03-17 09:57

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De la A.m.s, un duel pe Hockenheim cu masini tunate: MTM-RS3 (502 hp) vs. LAPTIME PERFORMANCE-M2 (415 hp) vs. WOLF-FOCUS RS (440 hp) Se pare ca pe circuit nu conteaza asa mult puterea.
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.d...42-1008263.jpg

specialist

28-03-17 07:20

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pare ca M2-ul a fost pregatit pt asa ceva...tinand cont si de numele pe care il poarta.

adrian78bmw

01-04-17 20:51

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boy_wonder

03-04-17 11:15

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adrian78bmw

07-04-17 11:02

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UNLORD

15-04-17 17:42

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UNLORD

16-04-17 21:18

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UNLORD

19-04-17 08:08

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A aparut Bmw M4 CS, vine cu 460 hp@6250rpm / 600 Nm (4000 – 5380 rpm) / 1580 kg (unladen) / 0-100km/h: 3.9 s, mai multe detalii, aici: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1375882

adrian78bmw

19-04-17 20:16

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Astept comparativul cu RS5

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