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_anaconda_ 25-06-14 20:35

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Foarte bine punctat ! Scurt si totusi foarte cuprinzator, ai evidentiat practic esenta M Gmbh in cateva cuvinte. Posturi ca al tau sunt sarea si piperul pe forum !

specialist 27-06-14 13:25

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
in continuare cred ca nici picior de C63 AMG nu are ce sa ii faca lui m3/m4

12.9 pana la 200 obtinuti de autozeitung

http://www.autozeitung.de/sites/defa...en-Tabelle.pdf

GTR 30-06-14 23:39

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
M4 vs. 911 Performance Comparison Review in Car and Driver

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1003386

Car and Driver au o gramada de comparatii manarite.

In cea de fata au uitat sa puna performantele la punctaj, dar de, ce nonteaza performantele la un M4 sau Porsche!? :)))))

Daca puneau si performantele si mai rau BMW-ul, iar daca mai puneau si pretul.....

Si mi-au mai atras urmatoarele atentia:

Cargo space: 5 puncte al amandoua :)))))
BMW M4 - 368 litrii
Carrera: - 135 litrii

BMW M4: in ultima treapta
30-50 mph - 2.3 sec
50-70 mph - 2.9 sec

Carrera: in ultima treapta
30-50 mph - 11.0 sec
50-70 mph - 9.7 sec


Skidpad:
M4: 0.98 g
991: 0.98 g

UNLORD 01-07-14 12:46

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Am observat ca in toate testele de pana acuma, M4 nu a coborat sub 1600 de kg, au scos cai mai multi din motor, dar au trombonit cu masa masinii. Poate cu manuala si cu ceramice ar ajunge pe la 1550 kg dar in niciun caz 1497 kg.

specialist 01-07-14 13:56

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
ai gasit pe undeva 1497kg?
nici in varianta curb weight nu are cum sa fie posibil.

in mod normal, o masina are cel putin 50 kg de optionale si nu cred ca exista M4 care sa circule pe strada sub 1600kg neluand in calcul benzina din rezervor. oricum e fff bine.

adrian78bmw 02-07-14 11:08

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Pe la 1575kg am vazut peste tot in teste cu M4

Mi se pare ca mult 4.5 sec pentru M4 in testul AutoBild
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-m...t-5177693.html

specialist 02-07-14 15:50

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
asta e probabil cel mai slab rezultat. si 14.1 pana la 200 tot cel mai slab.

UNLORD 02-07-14 17:13

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
O posibila explicatie sta in dreptul transmisiei: Sechsgang manuell :) Cutiile dublu ambreiaj + controlul plecarii rullz ! AM observat ca in configuratie cu trans. manuala, masa a coborat pana la 1585 kg, se pare ca nu conteaza asa mult, lupta trans. manuala vs. Dct e pierduta din start.

UNLORD 03-07-14 20:35

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
1 Attachment(s)
Cu Dct, 0-200km/h in 12.9 s, masurat de Autozeitung.

GTR 06-07-14 12:07

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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adrian78bmw 07-07-14 17:41

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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GTR 08-07-14 14:34

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
O comparatie interesanta, dar putin incompatibila.

Pe acceleratie par sa stea asa:

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel5334-4701.htm

Pe circuit este si normal sa fie mai rapid Corvett-ul.

Avantaje Corvette:
- design
- mai orientat catre sport
- motor/sunet
- pret

Avantaje M4:
- utilitate zilnica
- 4/5 locuri
- optiuni/materiale/finisari
- confort
- performante drag
- posibilitate tuning

JDV 09-07-14 12:52

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Cred ca liniuta cu "-posibilitate tuning" mergea mai mult la corvette...

GTR 09-07-14 20:14

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JDV (Post 5724014)
Cred ca liniuta cu "-posibilitate tuning" mergea mai mult la corvette...

Corvette-ul asta este aspirat, motorul BMW-ului este un 3.0 twinturbo cu interne forjate, deci costurile si potentialul BMW-ului sunt net superioare!

UNLORD 14-07-14 11:18

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Cateva impresii de la C&D despre prototipul Audi RS5 TDI

GTR 14-07-14 17:02

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5725437)
Cateva impresii de la C&D despre prototipul Audi RS5 TDI

Exceptionala, sa-l scoata mai repde.

specialist 14-07-14 19:12

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Diesel la nivel de performante cu de rs4 b7 sedan

UNLORD 15-07-14 09:45

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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UNLORD 16-07-14 11:28

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Un test C&D din 1999: Audi S4 Quattro vs. BMW M3 vs. Mercedes-Benz C43 AMG vs. Saab 9-3 Viggen

UNLORD 18-07-14 15:48

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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GTR 19-07-14 13:55

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Prietenul nostru suparat pe Porsche 991 si-a luat BMW M4!

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/a_MfJElYmlg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GTR 19-07-14 13:57

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Exceptionale performantele noului M4!

BMW M4 DKG vs BMW M5 (F10)

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel5334-3969.htm

.

UNLORD 20-07-14 14:53

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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specialist 22-07-14 07:27

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
stau si ma intreb cum de bmw si audi sunt atat de impotenti...la propriu vorbind.

Mercedes din 16 clase, incluzand si V, pt 13 din ele(incluzand si SLS) exista cel putin o varianta AMG...singurele clase fara AMG fiind GLK, B si V.
probabil generatia urmatoare de GLK va avea varianta AMG iar cel mai probabil B si V nu vor avea nicicand.
totusi, Mercedes au aprox 20 de variante AMG, BMW 7 iar Audi 7(incluzand si R8).
ok, este evident ca bmw vor avea si X5/6M, dar nu pricep de ce seria 1, 2 si 7 cat si Z4 nu primesc variante M.
la fel si in cazul audi...A3 si TT vor avea RS, dar cred ca e cazul si pt Q7(generatia urmatoare) cat si A8. Q3-RS cu doar 310 cp mi se pare o petarda.
sunt curios ce se va intampla cu generatiile urmatoare de X3 si Q5 din acest punct de vedere.

UNLORD 26-07-14 12:26

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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Giully4u 26-07-14 13:01

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Foarte interesant rezultatul. Surprinzator de rapid Alpina.

GTR 26-07-14 13:30

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5727608)
stau si ma intreb cum de bmw si audi sunt atat de impotenti...la propriu vorbind.

Mercedes din 16 clase, incluzand si V, pt 13 din ele(incluzand si SLS) exista cel putin o varianta AMG...singurele clase fara AMG fiind GLK, B si V.
probabil generatia urmatoare de GLK va avea varianta AMG iar cel mai probabil B si V nu vor avea nicicand.
totusi, Mercedes au aprox 20 de variante AMG, BMW 7 iar Audi 7(incluzand si R8).
ok, este evident ca bmw vor avea si X5/6M, dar nu pricep de ce seria 1, 2 si 7 cat si Z4 nu primesc variante M.
la fel si in cazul audi...A3 si TT vor avea RS, dar cred ca e cazul si pt Q7(generatia urmatoare) cat si A8. Q3-RS cu doar 310 cp mi se pare o petarda.
sunt curios ce se va intampla cu generatiile urmatoare de X3 si Q5 din acest punct de vedere.

Seria 2 primeste M, deja este in teste si am inteles ca si X3 si X4 vor primi M.

ryoraul 26-07-14 18:45

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Daca si D3 avea tot atatia cai ca si M3 poate ca era diferit rezultatul.

adrian78bmw 26-07-14 19:56

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Cred ca daca comparau M3 cu AlpinaB3 rezultatu era foarte strans

UNLORD 27-07-14 14:05

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
No replacement for displacement.
W212 E63 AMG S 4Matic with Renntech upgraded turbos (850 hp) vs a PP-Performance Stage 2 F13 M6 (740 hp) vs. Tuned Nissan GTR (700 hp)
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ryoraul 27-07-14 20:50

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Se tine bine si BMW-ul cu toate ca are mai putini cai si cuplu.

UNLORD 29-07-14 11:56

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Skillz, slickuri si ploaie ...
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UNLORD 30-07-14 11:01

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Top 40 acceleratie 0-200km/h de la Autobild: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/0-200...r-5226387.html

Giully4u 30-07-14 18:47

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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Nu ma asteptam la asta... :shock:

UNLORD 07-08-14 21:50

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x22z38w" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><a href="https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22z38w_drive-plus-2015-bmw-m3-chris-harris-on-cars_auto" target="_blank">Drive Plus - 2015 BMW M3 - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS</a>

UNLORD 11-08-14 22:29

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
astept si versiunea black series :D
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p.s. pot sa rog un moderator sa stearga postul anterior? merci.

Giully4u 13-08-14 00:24

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Din greseala am dat peste un canal de youtube interesant:

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Si nu stiu asta daca a mai fost:

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UNLORD 15-08-14 11:07

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
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a3ds 15-08-14 14:16

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
cele mai echilibrate/non partizane verusuri mi se par cele facute de americanii de la motor trend.

GTR 15-08-14 14:18

Re: AMG vs. M vs. RS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by a3ds (Post 5734490)
cele mai echilibrate/non partizane verusuri mi se par cele facute de americanii de la motor trend.

Asta cand nu este vorba de masini americane, dar intr-un fel este si normal sa fii putin partizan cand vobesti de produsul indigen, doar ca unii exagereaza si mint cam mult!


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