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UNLORD 23-09-13 17:17
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E30 BMW M3 or E92 M3 GTS?
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UNLORD 25-09-13 10:05
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E oficial, noul M3 va avea declarati 430 de hp (3.0l. - L6 -Biturbo) obtinuti la peste 7500 rpm, mult peste 500Nm, si cel mai important, va avea sub 1503 kg. datorita folosirii in premiera a materialelor CFRP. Toare detalile tehnice, schite si alte noutati, le gasiti aici:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=892746.

UNLORD 25-09-13 22:20
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Le da umilinta si are motorul made in Ro ...
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UNLORD 26-09-13 19:49
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steffan 27-09-13 01:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLORD (Post 5578833)
E oficial, noul M3 va avea declarati 430 de hp (3.0l. - L6 -Biturbo) obtinuti la peste 7500 rpm, mult peste 500Nm, si cel mai important, va avea sub 1503 kg. datorita folosirii in premiera a materialelor CFRP. Toare detalile tehnice, schite si alte noutati, le gasiti aici:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=892746.
pacat ca au renuntat la aspirate :( isi aveau farmecul lor. eu speram si de ceva mai multi cai si poate macar un 3.5 fie si biturbo

UNLORD 28-09-13 11:50
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Probabil are mai multi cai la volanta decat declara, oricum e suficient pt masa pt care o pretind ei de 1500 de kg, aici e marele castig, in rest la capitolul rafinament si placerea condusului sigur va avea de suferit in comparatie cu modelele anterioare, dar asta e tentinta actuala de downsizing si goana dupa performante, cosum si noxe mai mici.

Sa urcam cu o clasa mai sus, de la Car and Driver vine un test comparativ cu crema clasei mari: M6 Gran Coupe vs. Audi RS7 vs. Mercedes CLS 63 AMG-S. De observat ca toate 3 masinile se invart cam in aceleasi valori, niciodata nu am vazut o lupta mai stransa si niste diferente atata de apropiate, practic ramane o alegere de gust.

UNLORD 03-10-13 10:22
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Generatia viitoare de M5/M6, ar putea avea optional si tractiune integrala, asta dupa ce au observat ca aproximativ 70-80% din clientii americani de Mercedes E63 AMG au optat pt. pachetul awd. E clar, de ceva timp, "M" vine de la Marketing.

UNLORD 08-10-13 18:29
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GTR 15-10-13 17:00
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2014 BMW M5 Competition Package: A Better Driver's Car? - Ignition Ep. 88

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GTR 15-10-13 18:13
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Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG vs. E45 AMG drag race

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specialist 16-10-13 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GTR (Post 5593069)
2014 BMW M5 Competition Package: A Better Driver's Car? - Ignition Ep. 88
f tari imaginile in slow motion

UNLORD 16-10-13 15:42
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Masuratori CarandDriver pt: Mercedes CLA45 AMG

UNLORD 16-10-13 23:34
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boy_wonder 21-10-13 15:01
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UNLORD 21-10-13 16:27
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specialist 22-10-13 10:03
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pai si cand va fi RS3-ul, ce or sa faca astia ?

UNLORD 22-10-13 13:09
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Asa te intrebai si cu RS6/RS7 ... :) Cand apare RS3?

steffan 22-10-13 14:03
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Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5597300)
pai si cand va fi RS3-ul, ce or sa faca astia ?
cand o sa apara A45 amg black series, oare ce o sa faca rs3-ul?

specialist 23-10-13 08:22
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unlord
nu am avut niciodata incredere in RS6/7 cel putin in relatia cu M5/M6 si am postat in acest sens, insa dupa cum altii au aratat, 585 cp nu-s suficienti pt E si CLS amg sa tina pasul cu M si RS decat pe primii 100km/h.

in ceea ce priveste motorul de peS3, vad ca se misca oarecum decent fata de A45amg si e o diferenta enorma de 60 cp si 70NM.
A45 amg nu tine pasul cu RS3 din vechea generatie, ce este pe o platforma f veche din 2003.
2.5tfsi cu 360 cp vor fi suficienti pt noul RS3, mai ales si cu scaderea de greutate a sasiului, chiar in eventualitatea unui A45AMG black series cu 400cp, desi majoritatea estimarilor spun aprox 380 cp pt RS3.

probabil inca un an pt RS3:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11310046...ht-in-the-open

ce am gasit intre a45 si obositul de rs3.
average:
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel3710-4506.htm
absolute:
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/match3710-4506.htm

ce vad aici, ca si in diverse filmulete(inclusive chris harris rs3 vs m135 de generatie noua), este ca la viteze mari de peste200km/h rs3 a fost absolut praf.

Giully4u 23-10-13 23:13
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Pe dyno bmw`ul a scos ~598hp, iar amg-ul 630+. Bun bun bun :D

GTR 26-10-13 15:00
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Imi place A45 AMG dar performantele nu sunt exceptionale. Ma mai enerveaza si toate reclamele si promovarile stupide si toata valva asta cu puterea asta scoasa dintr-un motor de 2000cmc.

Lumea a cam uitat Lancer EVO 8 FQ400, masina scoasa in 2005 care dintr-un motor de 2000cmc a scos 399 CP foarte fiabili, o masina cu performante net superioare acestui A45 AMG.

Cand a aparut A45AMG, Evo x FQ400 (405cp) inca era la vanzare, o masina care iari il indoaie pe A45 AMG.

Asa ca acest A45 AMG este o masina draguta, destul de performanta dar in niciun caz vreo revolutie sau vre-un etalon in clasa, decat in cadrul brandului Mercedes.

Giully4u 26-10-13 18:48
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405 cai, probabil foarte fiabili, dar cu un turbo lag mare rau de tot.
Si pe mine ma enerveaza promovarea asta falsa, dar totusi fq400 nu e chiar comod de folosit day-by-day. Si as vrea sa aflu asta pe pielea mea. :D

specialist 26-10-13 19:49
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Tocmai din cauza lagului si poate fiabilitatii, consider ca 150cp pt un litru este maximul ce ar trebui incercat.
Si cred ca motoarele mici cu putere mare sunt rapide doar la vitezele mici in sesnul ca de la 150 la 250km/h, 360cp din 3 litri vor fi mai buni ca 360 cp din 2 litri, chiar daca in prima varianta masina are si 50-100 kg in plus.

Gaby_Slo 27-10-13 03:04
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accelerarea la viteze mari se face de catre cuplu. deci o sa 150-200km/h o sa castige aia 360cp care au mai mult cuplu.

_anaconda_ 27-10-13 09:16
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Cate lucruri noi afli pe aici...

GTR 27-10-13 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Giully4u (Post 5600465)
405 cai, probabil foarte fiabili, dar cu un turbo lag mare rau de tot.
Si pe mine ma enerveaza promovarea asta falsa, dar totusi fq400 nu e chiar comod de folosit day-by-day. Si as vrea sa aflu asta pe pielea mea. :D
Vorbeam strict de potentialul motorului, masinile nu sunt aceeasi clasa.

Quote:
Originally Posted by specialist (Post 5600509)
Tocmai din cauza lagului si poate fiabilitatii, consider ca 150cp pt un litru este maximul ce ar trebui incercat.
Si cred ca motoarele mici cu putere mare sunt rapide doar la vitezele mici in sesnul ca de la 150 la 250km/h, 360cp din 3 litri vor fi mai buni ca 360 cp din 2 litri, chiar daca in prima varianta masina are si 50-100 kg in plus.
Legat de lagul turbo, o varianta biturbo il elimina total, cat de fiabilitate, motorul de EVO (nu neaaparat FQ) merge linistit mult, si fara probleme la 200CP/l.

Bogdan_mb 28-10-13 22:00
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Interesant .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xdRFOSMiE

UNLORD 29-10-13 22:11
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specialist 01-11-13 13:45
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imi place foarte mult cum arata RS7 in aceasta fotografie. cred ca asta e culoarea cea mai interesanta pt RS6/RS7

UNLORD 01-11-13 17:22
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E misto, dar jantele pe 21'' sunt un chin pt drumurile de aici ... si 20 cred ca e mult.

specialist 01-11-13 23:14
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21 da e f mult. Mai ales ca vin cu 275/30
20 mi se pare chiar f ok pt ca au anvelope de 275/35 iar astea sunt aproape echivalentul ca si talon pt 245/40. La dimensiunea din urma curcula circula f multe masini prin romania.

UNLORD 02-11-13 14:48
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Se pare ca viitorul model Mercedes SLC (concurentul Porsche 911), nume de cod Mercedes C190 - va avea suspensii foarte performante,pana acuma folosite in Motorsport si prezenta doar la cateva modele f. exclusiviste: Dynamic Suspension Spool Valve (DSSV), produsa de canadienii Multimatic: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/...?click=main_sr

UNLORD 06-11-13 22:59
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UNLORD 11-11-13 19:39
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Crazy SUVs:
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UNLORD 13-11-13 22:11
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E lesne de inteles de ce ai nevoie de sunet artificial in sound system-ul masinii:
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P.s. Performanta vine si ea cu un pretz!

boy_wonder 15-11-13 08:59
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Cum face... animalu' asta:

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boy_wonder 25-11-13 14:56
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specialist 29-11-13 07:23
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RS7 vs M5 competition vs E63AMG S :
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/v...g-7897472.html

UNLORD 04-12-13 01:21
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Cum fuge Mini-ul
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Bogdan_mb 04-12-13 13:56
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A45 AMG - Renntech - Stage 1 , 420 hp . Se misca decent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbONNM5gBcY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMVWVX0eQ5U


p.s. cum se punea embeded aici ?


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