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ML 500 - 388hp

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Aia e "masina pe viata"!!

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Imagini "scapate" cu noul Audi A3:

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Un facelift sau mai degraba un A1 mai mare!!Show must go on!!
Trebuie mutat la BMW vs..

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Probabil o sa o dea la buy-back la BMW sau la Mercedes, o valorifica mai bine asa.

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Asa e, scuze ... si cu seria asta diesel de la M am dubii daca sa o postez aici sau acolo, in fine : cateva detalii legate de M550xd (F10 / F11) :

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M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology: three turbochargers, common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors and maximum injection pressure of 2,200 bar; 3.0-litre displacement, 280 kW/381 hp, maximum torque: 740 Newton metres (546 lb-ft); instantaneous responses and outstandingly dynamic power delivery into the upper reaches of the rev range; maximum revs: 5,400 rpm; impressively economical thanks to optimised efficiency and extensive BMW EfficientDynamics technology, including Auto Start-Stop function and ECO PRO mode.

Eight-speed Sports automatic transmission with enhanced gearshift dynamics fitted as standard on all BMW M Performance Automobiles;
BMW xDrive intelligent all-wheel drive with bespoke set-up optimised to enhance dynamics; BMW M550d xDrive and BMW X5 M50d with Performance Control, BMW X6 M50d with Dynamic Performance Control.

M-specific tuning of suspension, bodyshell mounting, engine and transmission mounting, springs and dampers, all standard and optional chassis control systems, and the Servotronic mapping for the hydraulic steering; result is significantly enhanced agility and precision in dynamic driving situations, with the linear build-up of lateral forces familiar from M cars.

BMW M550d xDrive comes as standard with the Driving Experience Control switch, including ECO PRO mode;
BMW M550d xDrive Touring also features air suspension on the rear axle and automatic self-levelling; both models available as an option with Dynamic Damper Control and Adaptive Drive including anti-roll control.

Engine:
Six-cylinder in-line diesel engine with
M Performance TwinPower Turbo technology, aluminium crankcase, three turbochargers (high-pressure, with variable turbine geometry), common-rail direct injection with piezo injectors, maximum injection pressure: 2,200 bar.
Displacement: 2,993 cc,
output: 280 kW/381 hp at 4,000 – 4,400 rpm,
max. torque: 740 Nm (546 lb-ft) at 2,000 – 3 000 rpm,
specific output: 93.6 kW/127.3 hp per litre of displacement.

BMW M Performance models: performance figures, fuel consumption, CO2 emissions:

BMW M550d xDrive Sedan:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.7 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 6.3 litres/100 kilometres (44.8 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 165 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6.

BMW M550d xDrive Touring:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 4.9 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 6.4 litres/100 kilometres (44.1 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 169 g/km, exhaust standard: EU6.

BMW X5 M50d:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.4 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 7.5 litres/100 kilometres (37.7 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 199 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5.

BMW X6 M50d:
Acceleration [0 – 100 km/h (62 mph)]: 5.3 seconds,
top speed: 250 km/h (155 mph),
average fuel consumption: 7.7 litres/100 kilometres (36.7 mpg imp),
CO2 emissions: 204 g/km, exhaust standard: EU5.

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nu are nici o treaba cu a1 sau cu vechiul a3, e platforma total noua.
iar finisarile interioare sunt de prima clasa, ceva ce nu se va regasi in veci pe seria 1 sau a klasse.
mie imi place.

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Si mie imi place ... si este platforma noua si are probabil (ca de fiecare data aproape) cel mai inchegat si bine finisat interior ... dar nu asta e totul ... stai sa apara testele ...

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Nu e urat dar are dreptate Adrian.

A1 vs A3 vs Seria 1 - Nu mi se pare deloc mai frumos cel de A3 decat cel de Seria 1 si sa nu uitam ca BMW a facut pasi mari la interior. De Mercedes mi-e frica, dar capabili de interior frumos si materiale bune sunt.

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http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x...21600x1060.jpg
Test Drive BMW M5 M550d xDrive de la Autocar.co.uk

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De ce M550xd e mai greu cu 20 de kg decat 535xd tinand cont ca la un model M se folosesc materiale mai usoare?Asa de greu e motoru de nu au mai putut salva nimic?

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o turbina in plus fata de 535d.
cred ca M550XD este derivat dintr-un model standard si nu din M5.

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Motorul este cu 24 kg mai greu decat cel de pe 535d + ca standard este mai dotat decat 535d.

Din cate stiu greutatea declarata de producatori este in varianta de echipare minima, in varianta full greutatea poate sa creasca si peste 150 kg in funtie de echiparile optionale posibile pe masina.

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Animatie cu principiul de functionare a motorului tri-turbo diesel (primul motor in configuratie tri-turbo diesel din lume, dealtfel). Il asteptam pe Elodia sa il conteste, ca iar ploua cu cifre:

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greu de contestat ceva care incepe cu tri.
:)
la bi mai merge..dar la nutrii..
:)

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Ai niste comentarii, f constructive.

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Apropo de importanta ESP-ului. Mare noroc ca nu s-a intamplat nimic!

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-12...n-accident.htm

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BMW M1 in southern California

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-12...California.htm

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De abia astept sa dea tunerii germani si nu numai de el :) cred ca o sa scoata tot ce se poate din cele trei turbine.

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nu am de ce sa il contest ca e un motor f tare.
astept sa vad fiabilitatea motorului , ca la ce temperatura o sa fie in compartimentul motor!

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temperatura tripla, insa si turbina este piesa de schimb, nu-i asa?
:)

oricum cad pe rand deci financiar se descurca cumva proprietarul.

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Apropo de asta, daca cedeaza o turbina motorul functioneaza doar cu celelalte doua?:-?

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evident, insa doar daca pica a 3-a, ca daca pica prima pana ajunge sa intre a 2-a stai si rabzi.
:)

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Nasol este ca daca se sparge prima poate sa le rupa si pe celelalte doua...

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Aham! O sa dea eroare si te lasa in strada ca altfel strici si dpf sau calezi motorul din lipsa de ulei, sau iti ajung particule metalice in motor sau iti ajung palele de la prima turbina in celelalte doua .
Mai bine sa nu se strice ca e groasa treaba :)))

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Chris Harris isi spune pasurile legate de BMW M550d X Drive:
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Nu degeaba il consider cel mai bun editor auto.

S-a inteles clar, este ok masina, este insa un family car, nu prea are treaba cu ideea si spiritul M, nu ofera feeling-ul asteptat de la un M, fie el si diesel. Este o masina ok de zi cu zi, dar nimic spectaculos.

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Deci cam scumpicel pentru un diesel de familie care nu are treaba cu ///M puteau sa ii puna doar 550xd...Motorul asta e bun pe seria 7 X5 X6 pentru concurenta A8 4.2 TDI si Q7 4.2TDI si pe seria 6 si 6GC
Dar asta este orice tehnologie noua costa!!

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Trebuia postata la Merc vs. Bmw vs. Audi ... :)

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M5-ul trece prin mana celor de la Top Gear:
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Inca un test in care BMW-ul "minte" la cifre, ca sa ii dam lui Elodia apa la moara, ca bine ne mai sfatuieste el in domeniu ... e vb. tot despre M5-ul ... dar intr-un test scanat de la Autobild Sportcars, impotriva CTS-V, E63 AMG PP, Jag XFR. Pe scurt, masuratorile de la Autobild (inclusiv cantar):

1st place: BMW M5 F10

Tyres: Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Weight: 1930 kg
0-100 km/h: 3,9 s
0-200 km/h: 11,8 s
Quarter mile: 11,98 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th gear: 3,9 s
Braking (100-0 km/h), warm: 34,7 m



2nd place: Cadillac CTS-V Automatic

Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Weight: 1980 kg
0-100 km/h: 4,3 s
0-200 km/h: 14,1 s
Quarter mile: 12,49 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th gear: 6,1 s
Braking (100-0 km/h), warm: 34,4 m



3rd place: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Performance Package

Tyres: Continental SportContact 5P
Weight: 1929 kg
0-100 km/h: 4,1 s
0-200 km/h: 12,6 s
Quarter mile: 12,07 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th gear: 4,6 s
Braking (100-0 km/h), warm: 34,6 m



4th place: Jaguar XFR

Tyres: Dunlop SP Sportmaxx J
Weight: 1970 kg
0-100 km/h: 4,5 s
0-200 km/h: 14,4 s
Quarter mile: 12,54 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) in 5th gear: 6,0 s
Braking (100-0 km/h), warm: 35,6 m



Sachsenring-tracktimes:
1:37,82 min - Porsche Panamera Turbo S
1:38,16 min - Porsche Panamera Turbo
1:38,66 min - BMW M5 F10
1:40,86 min - Cadillac CTS-V Automatic
1:41,00 min - Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG PP (best is 1:40,6 min)
1:43,75 min - Jaguar XFR


Verdict:
- The M5 is the clear winner here, fastest in the straightline, fastest on the track. With Launch Control 0-100 kph is in 3,9 s!
- The Cadillac made a little sensation beating the E63 AMG PP: great performance, big fun for relatively low costs.
- The 3rd place is for the Merc: it's the only one that can get close to the M5 on the straightline. Best 0-100 kph run: from 1800 rpm.
- Last place for the relaxed Jaguar.

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Greutate la gol de fabrica :

M5 : 1945 kg
E63 : 1840 kg

Greutate la gol test :

M5 : 1930 kg ( - 15 kg )
E63 : 1929 kg (+ 89 kg )

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...nd-curb-weight

4384 pounds = 1 988.5 kg
Ma uit pe lista aceea de timpi si nu vad unde ? :rolleyes2

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Azi am vazut in Bucuresti al 2-lea M5 nou (F10). Primul l-am vazut acum 5 zile.
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Unii producatori dau greutatea la gol (dry weight), BMW-ul fara fluide and stuff are 1870 kg. Pana la urma au aceleasi dimensiuni, e normal sa fie apropiate la masa, ambele sunt pe platforma clasica de otel. Poate mai cantresc si optinalele, dracu stie, am mai gasit un test scanat, de data asta de la Autozeitung si e cam aceasi poveste.

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CAR Magazine - M5 F10 against E36 AMG and Jaguar XFR

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=663491

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgSfIwqaQI O fi m5-ul chiar atat de silent ? :lol:

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si mai zic taranii ca e " dizelu " zgomotos.

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Nu, nu taranii zic ca este diesel-ul zgomotos, oamenii care nu au probleme grave cu auzul zic ca este zgomotos diesel-ul, intr-o comparatie cu benzina pierde lejer. Chestia este ca la masini de performanta, ca asta se discuta pe thread-ul asta, sound-ul este un must have, nu trebuie sa fie dead silent in interior (cel putin cand o calci pe coada) ca nu asta e scopul insa postul tau nu ma surprinde, ai scris tu alte bazaconii mult mai mari.

Sa mai spun ca sunetul la masinile astea este PLACUT si FRUMOS, spre deosebire de horcaitul MAC-urilor ?

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Eu nu inteleg obsesia pentru masini high performance premium diesel, este o ghiorlaneala generala. Daca ai bani de un M5, ai bani sa iti mai iei si o octavia 2 diesel sh sa te duci cu ea la piata, wtf.