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Petrolul brut in scadere, la 76.4-78.81 USD/baril, dupa saltul pe care l-a facut zilele trecute la peste 81

~Nautilus

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Petrom scade pretul benzinei cu sase bani pe litru

Petrom va reduce, miercuri, cu sase bani pe litru pretul benzinei comercializate in statiile Petrom si PetromV, a anuntat marti compania. Pretul motorinei va ramane neschimbat.

Modificarea preturilor la carburanti vine ca urmare a scaderii cotatiilor internationale ale produselor petroliere.

Compania Petrom este detinuta de grupul austriac OMV si are pe piata locala aproximativ 500 de benzinarii, dintre care 77 PetromV.

HotNews.ro, Dragos Comache, 09 oct 2007

In acelasi timp, petrolul pe piata americana sare inapoi la peste 80 USD/baril, petrolul Brent pe piata europeana a urcat si el (77.4-77.8 ), iar dolarul cade iar fata de euro, ca de la trambulina :p

~Nautilus

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Pretul petrolului a explodat la stirea unui conflict iminent intre statul turc si kurzii din Irak. Cifrele erau azi intre 84.28 si 87.45 USD/baril, cu posibilitatea de a sari peste 90 USD daca nu se linistesc lucrurile

Dolarul in continuare jos, 1.4163 USD/EUR pe piata internationala, a scazut de la 2,3539 RON la 2,3440 la noi

~Nautilus

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mai multe informatii despre de ce vor turcii sa intre peste kurzi? normal, stiu ca astia nu se sufera de generatii intregi, dar ce-i face pe turci sa vrea sa atace? Partea Kurda din Iraq e complet stabila, si politia si armata locala pastreaza ordinea, si situatia e calma... Sunt ofticati turcii ca Kurzii acuma o sa ceara independenta in zona lor sau ce?

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Sursa: http://www.bloomberg.com

~Nautilus

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Pentru 340 km abia imi ajung 40, euro insa si nu $ , si asta doar daca stau cuminte cu acceleratia. :(
Italienii au innebunit,nu mai gasesti nicaieri benzina sub 1.304 euro/L,iar pe autostrada am vazut chiar cu 1.426 euro/L. :(:(:(
La fiecare 50 de euro platiti pe carburant,31 euro sunt taxe la stat.

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de ce crezi ca e FOARTE ieftin?

crezi ca Romania ar trebui sa aiba preturile practicate de UE ?
cand salariul mediu poate nu depaseste 200 dolari pe LUNA ?

think about it


EDIT : dion cauza unei ERORI de forum , postul meu a aparut inainte de cel a lui Bloodfart (cand trebuia sa apara dupa ! ) WOB

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hehe, m-am intors joi inapoi din romania, si am fost fericit sa gasesc benzina la 94c /L (canada) (cam 2RON/L :8)

DAR, poate nu v-ati dat seama, dar aveti benzina mult mai buna decat ce avem noi. aici... 92, 98, 100... noi avem o apa de ploaie de 87 ca regular, 89, si un extraordinar 91 ca premium! deci, fiindca ati vrut toti motoare mici si cu turbo, au trebuit sa bage benzina buna ca sa reziste si sa scoata nitica putere din ele...

eu aici trebuie sa-mi cumpar in fiecare primavara cate un butoi de 205L de benzina de 110 (cam $550 + $20 delivery), si din nou vara, ca sa am pentru mers la pista.... ce n-as da sa am 100+ la pompa! chiar si pretul de premium in romania e FOARTE ieftin!

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1. Petrolul urca vertiginos spre 100 USD/baril, dolarul cade precum meteoritul spre 1.5 USD = 1 EUR, per ansamblu lucrurile stau la fel ca inainte. Una din putinele situatii in care ma bucur ca petrolul e evaluat numai in USD :p

2. Modul in care se calculeaza cifra octanica a benzinei difera intre Europa si USA, la noi e afisata la pompa cifra RON, in USA e (RON+MON)/2. Petrom Top 99+ are RON 99 si MON 86, de unde o medie de 92.5-93 in sistemul american. (Dar o cifra de 87 echivaleaza cu 91 in sistem RON, asa ca tot nu iesi in castig, ar trebui sa pui 91 ca sa echivaleze cu 95 RON)

~Nautilus

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a crescut pretul benzinei cu 5 centi/L PESTE NOAPTE !

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da, stiam chestia cu formula, si ca se calculeaza diferit, dar eram obisnuit cu cifrele de ROM si MON sa fie destul de apropiate, cam 5-8 puncte, deci de obicei media nu scade asa de mult (ex. la benzina care o iau pentru vara, RONul e 109, MONul de 101, deci media 105.... taranii o vand ca 109 :rolleyes2 )... nu ma asteptam sa fie o diferenta asa de mare, 13 puncte la benzina din romania :shock:


poate imi explici si mie te rog de ce, ca nu cunosc acest domeniu...

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93.9c/L aici in calgary, in vestul canadei

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a crescut benzina la unele pompe si cu 10 centi pe litru

nu mai gasim benzina sub 1.17 eur/L

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Petrom si Lukoil au scumpit cu 5-9 bani toate produsele de o saptamana incoace

Un articol interesant despre motivele umflarii artificiale a pretului la petrol, de Dr. Richard W. Rahn:

Socialist oil death spiral


November 6, 2007


Richard W. Rahn - Socialism always plants the seeds of its own destruction, and state-owned oil is no exception. Most people do not realize that about 90 percent of the world's liquid oil reserves are controlled by governments or state-owned companies. Exxon Mobil, the world's largest privately owned oil company, owns only 1.08 percent of the world's oil reserves, and the five largest private global oil companies together own only about 4 percent of the world's oil reserves.

There is enough liquid oil in the ground to last generations; and when oil sands and oil shale are included, there is enough oil to last centuries. If there were a truly free market in oil, with both the reserves and production owned and controlled by many competitive companies, the price of oil would be a fraction of today's price.

The high price of oil is a direct consequence of artificial supply constraints imposed by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and other countries, including the United States, and the incompetence and mismanagement found in most state-owned oil companies. OPEC is an international government cartel made up of Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Angola, Algeria, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. These nations control about 77 percent of the world's known liquid crude oil reserves.

Most of these countries and other major oil producers that rely on mainly state-owned companies, such as Russia, have underinvested in exploration and development of new production facilities and mismanaged the ones they have. (If politicians understood the facts and were truthful, they would rant against "greedy" socialists rather than private oil companies.)

Venezuela, despite having perhaps the sixth-largest oil reserves in the world, has falling production because of the mismanagement by the Chavez government. Mexico also is suffering from falling oil production because the government refuses to allow private oil exploration and production companies, and the state-owned oil company, Pemex, is corrupt and incompetent. By contrast, the U.S. only has about 2 percent of the world's oil reserves, but produces little more than 8 percent of global production, largely because they are privately owned and managed.

A decade or two from now, the socialist states will have severe regrets for their current misbehavior, and this is why. When prices rise, people seek alternative sources and substitutes for the high-priced commodity. When oil prices are above $30 or $40 a barrel, suddenly the Canadian oil sands and Colorado oil-bearing shale become economic, and those reserves are larger than known liquid oil reserves.

The short-run problem is that development of oil sands and oil shale requires enormous up-front investment and many years. Canadian oil sand production is now ramping up rapidly, but it will be a few years before it can replace most of North America's needs for oil from outside the continent.

Recently, there has been additional good news. Shell Oil has announced its new in-situ (i.e., in-ground) extraction technology in Colorado could be competitive at prices of more than $30 per barrel. However, it will take quite a few years to get into major production.

Despite the current infatuation with biofuels, they are unlikely to ever produce more than a small share of the market because they are not price competitive with liquid, sand and shale oil when all attendant costs are taken into account, such as higher food prices. Petroleum accounts for about 40 percent of U.S. energy supply and about two-thirds of it is imported. Most petroleum is used for transportation, which accounts for about 28 percent of U.S. energy use.

Now, for the really good news. The new car you purchase a decade from now is almost certainly to be totally electrically powered. Huge strides are being made in battery technology, and even existing batteries have just about reached the point where they are sensible for automobiles. Mitsubishi has just come out with an all-electric car, the sport MIEV. And Nissan and Renault have announced they will be in full-scale production of electric cars by 2012.

As people move to electric cars, the need for gasoline and imported oil will quickly disappear. Nuclear and clean coal plants must expand to produce the additional electricity, but they produce energy at a fraction of the cost of petroleum. The new battery technology will also help solar and wind power become more economically feasible because they will be able to store it. Even so, solar and wind will only be a small part of our energy ***ure because of their inherent production limits.

In sum, a decade from now, the world will no longer be held hostage by the socialist OPEC cartel. Liquid fuels (oil) are mainly needed for transportation; but when electricity takes over much of that market, America, Europe, China and Japan will find they can produce all of the electricity they need from nuclear, coal, hydro, biomass, geothermal, solar and wind resources.

North America will also be independent from foreign oil because of the oil sands and oil shale developments, which are likely to be protected from drastic reduction in world oil prices. OPEC and its fellow travelers will be left with a far less valuable commodity, because their present, shortsighted, high oil price strategy is causing their customers to develop economically and environmentally sound alternatives more quickly than if there had been a truly global free market in oil.

Sursa: http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs...plate=printart

Sublinierile imi apartin.

~Nautilus

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Articolul e doar o parere a unui umil jurnalist...spune multe adevaruri dar si trage multe concluzii mult prea pripite parerea mea...Nu e de ajuns sa te uiti la statistici si numere si sa ajungi la concluzia ca peste 10 ani toti vom conduce masini electrice...iar OPEC se va inneca cu propriul petrol care din cauza pretului mare cerut de acestia nu se va mai vinde...nu zic ca nu e un viitor probabil, doar ca ma indoiesc ca in doar 10 ani se va ajunge la asa ceva...indiferent cat de scump va deveni petrolul si indiferent ce alte tehnologii vor aparea sau vor deveni fezibile dpdv economic pt a inlocui petrolul...asa cum se zicea si in articol...investitiile pt a trece la, sau dezvolta alte mijloace de energie ar fi mult prea mari...
Parerea mea e ca inca nu am ajuns cu cutitul la os, si ca defapt mai e destul petrol...

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Richard W. Rahn e mai degraba un personaj "din interior" decat un simplu jurnalist - fost vicepresedinte al Camerei de Comert a SUA, consilier pe probleme economice al lui George W. Bush etc genul care stie mai multe decat publicul obisnuit si mult mai mult decat spune :)

Acelasi personaj a dat un interviu foarte interesant in Saptamana Financiara nr. 129, 24.09.2007, despre inflatie si motivele pentru care uneori impresia despre inflatie e falsa

~Nautilus

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simt ca masina electrica inca e departe de ''publicul larg''

desi unele companii au scos modele partial / full electrice

si eu cred ca inca pe perioada in care generatia noastra o sa fie la putere o

sa folosim atat de dragul Petrol !

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Hehe...asta explica de ce articolul are putina tenta propagandista pro-US si anti-OPEC...n-am zis ca nu are dreptate dar parca e putin exagerat..."socialistii sunt naspa ca tin pretul mare"... "noi in US nu ne bazam doar pe petrolul guvernului avem si Exxon-Mobil si oil sands si shales in Canada asa cu oricum si daca e gata cu benzina, America rullz"...ceva de genul asta...:lol:

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domnul din articol nu a precizat nimic despre peak oil, deci e clar ca are gauri mari in argumente... majoritatea producatorilor mondiali nu scad productia ca nu stiu cum sa scoata petrolul cum trebuie, scad productia fiindca zacamiintele scad in productivitate.... pretul la pompa este afectat mult mai mult de catre rafinarii si guverne.... In america de nord, sunt putine rafinarii, si cum e una in service, sau inchisa pentru orice motiv, pretul sare in sus imediat... Rafinariile lucreaza la maxim... deasta aici iarna, chiar daca petrolu e cu $10/baril in plus, benzina tot e mai ieftina la pompa decat vara cu in jur de 20 de centi! In Europa, probabil ca sunt taxele care va omoara :rolleyes2 i-ati lasat pe socialistii si anti-capitalistii pe care ii pomenea asta in articol, sa va convinga ca e sfarsitul lumii, si daca nu platiti taxe pana va uscati nu o sa evitati calamitatea... hai sa va zic eu o statistica misto: 40% din poluarea din Los Angeles vine din China :shock: ;) impresionati? ar trebui sa fiti, pentru ca in timp ce in europa fiecare se chinuie sa reduca cate 10 grame de CO2, china toarna miliarde de tone si preaiubitul Kyoto zice e ca total ok chestia asta :lol:

cum a zis cineva mai sus?? din 50 de euro, 31 se duc la stat????? asta e bataie de joc, si o sa continue sa v-o traga tot mai mult, cat timp ii lasa-ti (dupa parerea mea...)

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OPEC oricum nu mai are acelasi control pe care il avea, pentru ca cerinta mondiala e atat de mare, incat chiar daca si ei ar opera la capacitate maxima, tot nu ar fi de ajuns.... ca au zacamintele uriase in pamant e una, dar trebuie si scos petrolul... si razboiul din iraq nu ajuta

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in ultima vreme, oricine e asociat cu acest om, tinde sa fie manjit de aceasi pensula... aproape TOATE persoanele pe care le-a avut in guvern sau la functii importante, au fost niste clovni incompetenti sau hoti de prima mana... Nici unul nu a realizat absolut nimic, din contra, mai toti au fost disgratiati, sau facuti sa demita, sau au fost asa de fraieri incat pana si bush a zis ba gata ajunge si i-a dat el afara... dintre aia cu care si-a inceput presedentia, nu mai are pe aproape absolut nimeni... deci nu stiu, dar am dubii despre oricine este sau a fost asociat cu acest om... si cred ca nu sunt singur, ca daca as fi, toti candidatii republicani nu ar sta atat de departe de a se asocia cu georgica sau cineva din guvernul lui :???:

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si aici in state, pretul a sarit vertiginos, acum o luna cand am luat masina pt un galon plateam 2.67, iar acum la pompa regular-ul ca de el e vorba e 2.95, si se preconizeaza ca va mai creste....asta e :((

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A luat-o razna si la noi. de la 1.15 la 1.25 in unele locuri. Am vazut chiar diesel mai scump ca si benzina :shock:

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99 centi canadieni pe litru (2.3RON ;) )

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Da DIESEL mai scump ca BENZINA .
UNDE ? -> Irlanda

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anul trecut parca, pentru vreo saptamana doua a fost si aici motorina mai scumpa ca benzina cu cativa centi, dar dupa s-a asezat la vreo 5 centi mai putin decat benzina regulara si acolo a ramas de atunci :???: nu stiu de ce, dar parca aveam inpresia ca motorina e cel putin 10c/L mai putin decat benzina regulara :???:

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Ieri petrolul o luase in jos, putin sub 90 USD/baril, azi aflam de o explozie la o conducta si sare iar 3-4 dolari mai sus... maine probabil apare vreun buletin de stiri in care se da vina pe Al-Qaeda :D

Crude Oil Surges After Explosion at Enbridge's Pipeline to U.S.

By Eduard Gismatullin and Grant Smith

Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Oil surged more than $4 a barrel, the most in a month, after an explosion at an Enbridge Inc. pipeline from Canada to the U.S. cut supply to the world's largest energy user.

Enbridge closed four pipelines, with a combined capacity of 1.5 million barrels a day, that meet at its Clearbrook, Minnesota, terminal after a blast yesterday killed two workers. The company said today the fire was still burning.

``It's an important pipeline and it's also where it's being hit, these pipeline junctions are a nightmare,'' said Rob Laughlin, a senior broker at MF Global Ltd. in London. Oil ``could go up further if it's shut for some time.''

Crude oil for January delivery gained as much as $4.55, or 5 percent, to $95.17 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. That's the biggest gain since Oct. 31. The contract, which gained for the first time this week, traded at $94.17 at 9:29 a.m. in London.

``All our lines are shut down until we can safely start up the system,'' Enbridge spokeswoman Denise Hamsher said today by telephone. ``At least one or two lines will be shut down for quite sometime.''

Brent crude oil for January settlement climbed as much as $3.01, or 3.4 percent, to $92.82 a barrel on the London-based ICE ***ures Europe exchange. The contract traded at $91.99 a barrel at 9:29 a.m. in London.

U.S. crude oil stockpiles fell 452,000 barrels to 313.2 million last week, the Energy Department said yesterday. Oil inventories in Cushing, Oklahoma, were at 152.3 million barrels as of Nov. 23, the lowest since October 2005.

`Huge Reaction'

This oil is ``pumping into the Midwest, into Cushing,'' where the New York-traded contract is priced, said Edo Gerbrands, a trader with Fortis Bank in Brussels. ``Stocks, which are pretty low at the moment, will get lower. Therefore, we see this huge reaction today.''

The leak and explosion occurred at the No. 3 pipeline, which was undergoing maintenance, according to Enbridge


~Nautilus

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Io dau 3.30$ in Arizona pe un galon de benzina Shell 91+

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s-au calmat lucrurile, si doua din cele cinci conducte sunt deschise din nou ;)

RIP pentru cei doi muncitori :sad:

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La noi e $NZ1.73/L ~ 85Eurocenti/L pt 91', iar motorina a ajuns la $NZ1.27/L ~ 60Eurocenti/L

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Petrolul la 87-88 USD/baril, dolarul da oarecari semne de insanatosire (~1,46 USD=1 EUR)

~Nautilus

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se zice ca daca pretul de petrol ramane la fel, vom plati in jur de $1.50 - $1.60 pe litru de benzina la primavara/vara !!! Considerand ca cel mai mult cat a fost vreodata benzina aici a fost $1.26 /L, anul trecut, deci mai mult de 25c in plus pe litru!! acum e in continuare cam 98c - 99c pe litru...

deci probabil ca mondial, pretul va creste cam 25c pe litru, sau in jur de.... de speriat....

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Aici este f. scump, cel putin pt. mine, dar nu stiu cum la o benzinarie de langa Milano intr-o zi motorina a fost 99 eurocenti pe cand in alte orase era mult mai scump!!!!

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La mine este 1.24 euro/L motorina si 1.344 euro/L benzina,evident cu mici diferente intre distribuitori.

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Petrolul a depasit pentru prima data in istorie 100 USD/baril

Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil reached a record $100 a barrel and gold soared to the highest ever, leading a commodity surge as the dollar's slump against major currencies enhanced the appeal of raw materials as hedges against inflation.

Cotele de acum (22:07 ora Romaniei) sunt intre 97.75 si 99.75 USD/baril

Dolarul la 1.4726 USD = 1 EUR

Comentarii:

Three-figure prices may bring energy costs near the tipping point that will cause global economic growth to falter. China has more than doubled oil use since New York crude dropped to this century's low of $16.70 a barrel on Nov. 19, 2001. That's soaked up most of the world's spare production capacity amid supply cuts in Nigeria, Iraq and Venezuela. - Bloomberg, Mark Shenk & Nesa Subrahmaniyan

"This is the culmination of everything that we talked about last year. Various geopolitical problems have deteriorated overnight, in particular Nigeria and Pakistan. Commodities, and in particular oil, have become safe havens in a dangerous world.'' - John Kilduff, Vice President of risk management at MF Global Ltd. in New York

"This president would not use the (Strategic Petroleum Reserve) to m.a.n.i.p.u.l.a.t.e. (prices) unless there was a true emergency" - Dana Perino, White House press secretary

"The solution to high prices lies in expanding domestic oil and gas production and increasing the nation's refining capacity" - Megan Barnett, Energy Department spokeswoman

However, post-holiday trading volumes were about 50 percent of normal Wednesday, meaning the price move was likely exaggerated by speculative buying.

"I would imagine the speculators are the biggest drivers today," said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading Corp., in Chicago. - Yahoo! News

Prices on Oct. 15 passed the previous all-time inflation- adjusted record. Measured in today's dollars, oil in 1981 rose as high as $84.73 after a decade of Middle East instability including the Arab-Israeli war in 1973, the Iranian revolution in 1979 and the Iran-Iraq war that began in 1980.

Oil embargoes and higher prices helped trigger recessions in developed countries, prompting efficiency drives that sent prices lower for two decades to as little as $10.35 a barrel on Dec. 21, 1998. - Bloomberg, Mark Shenk & Nesa Subrahmaniyan

~Nautilus

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Cotatiile petrolului 97.2-97.24 USD/baril (Brent) si 98.75-98.88 USD/baril pe piata americana

Dolarul a scazut iar, trecand de pragul de 1.48 USD=1 EUR

~Nautilus

Re: Carburantu'...dureros de ...cit?
 

Dolarul la vale, iar costa 1 EUR = 1.48 USD

Petrolul a scazut la 93.86-93.99 USD/baril pe piata americana si 91.98-92.22 USD/baril la Brent

Carburantii dau usor inapoi, Lukoil a redus pretul benzinei EuroLuk 98 de la 3.92 la 3.85 si apoi la 3.82 RON/litru, Petrom au redus si ei cu 7 bani/litru la toate produsele, anuland ultima crestere de pret

Ar trebui sa ne bucuram dar nu cred ca am trecut inca hopul....

~Nautilus

Re: Carburantu'...dureros de ...cit?
 

aici benzina a saltat de la 99.5c pe litru la $1.025 pe litru, desi dolarul canadian e echivalent cu dolarul american, si din cand in cand putin mai puternic (dar fluctueaza)

Re: Carburantu'...dureros de ...cit?
 

hopul deabia o sa vina la primavara-vara... aici ultimii doi ani benzina iarna a fost cam 89c, cu mici ridicari la in jur de 90-95c... iarna asta nu a scazut sub 96c, deci eu zic ca la vara o sa platim in jur de 10c in plus pe litru (medie) pe litru de benzina, fata de anul trecut... si aici vara trecuta eram la in jur de $1.15 - $1.20 pe litru, deci eu ma astept sa ajunga la in jur de 1.25 in cazul cel mai bun...

Re: Carburantu'...dureros de ...cit?
 

Poate pentru voi, aici pretul carburantului nu e influentat de sezon :p

Aflam ca dolarul a picat vertiginos la 1.4878 USD = 1 EUR. Pretul petrolului e mai mult sau mai putin stabil (+/- 75 centi)

Ministrul Energiei din Qatar, Abdullah Al-Attiyah, spune in mod deschis ceea ce presa occidentala sugera - ca arabimea a scapat din mana controlul pietei petrolului si ca influenta OPEC asupra preturilor e limitata comparativ cu aceea a speculatorilor :)

~Nautilus