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D-le Pacatosu, permite-mi o remarca: esti atat de departe de realitate! Trezirea! Chinezarii, auzi. Mi-e sila. Probabil nici macar nu constientizezi ce diferenta enorma este intre popoarele coreean, chinez si japonez.
Iar cat despre masinile germane, pe care numai romanii le mai apreciaza in virtutea unei inertii socialiste, nici macar germanii nu le mai gasesc masini pe care te poti baza. Iata un articol intersant care probabil iti va da viata peste cap: German Cars Disappoint Car Owners Mercedes and BMW for all their glamour, aren't the preferred choice of German car-owners, according to two surprising new surveys released this week. When it comes to overall ratings, nothing tops the charts like a Mercedes Benz. But for everyday use, German car-owners prefer Japanese cars to the legendary names of their native country. The stunning news is the result of two surveys conducted separately by car magazine AutoBILD and German car-insurer ADAC. The so-called Automarxx survey, conducted by ADAC with the Center for Automotive Research at Gelsenkirchen Technical College, asked more than 38,000 car owners to rank international car companies in terms of consumer satisfaction. The German automobile industry's first entry on the list is Porsche at number eight. Toyota and Honda lead a pack of Asian rivals in the first seven spots. The study, which will first be released to the public next week, is sure to disappoint the likes of Mercedes and Audi, who apparently enjoy a better reputation abroad than at home. Not even in the top five Covering a range of areas from company strength and market position to design and environmental friendliness, the latest Automarxx survey is the first to feature a Consumer Satisfaction section. The consumer questionnaires looked at both the products and service of 33 manufacturers, and included ratings of electronics, motor power and comfort as well as of cost and standards of garage work. While German brands Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Volkswagen and Porsche still occupy the top five of the Overall Rating section, they barely figure in the Consumer Satisfaction top ten, beaten by Toyota at number one, followed by other Asian competitors such as Subaru, Honda and Mazda. Quality over image The competition is not surprised by the results. Speaking from the Essen Motor Show, which opened on Thursday, Mazda's Peter Tuhl told Deutsche Welle that Mazda's position in the top five reflected the Japanese company's enduringly high technical standards. He said a Mazda owner experiences \"lasting satisfaction.\" A German car owner, on the other hand, is more like a \"disappointed lover who realizes the first promises aren't going to come true\". The survey results seem to back up the mark. Mercedes has no problem with its image, but rather with its follow-through, according to the results. Dr. Ferdinand Dudenhöffer, who led the survey, said the emphasis German companies like Mercedes place on innovation comes at the expense of production quality. \"Every technical innovation increases the risk of a break-down,\" he says.\"In this respect, Toyota is more conservative, which may not be good for its image, but is very beneficial in terms of reliability.\" \"Made in Germany\" loses clout The AutoBILD survey confirms the trend. The first German entry on the list is BMW at number five, again trumped by Asian rivals. VW CEO Dr. Bernd Pischetsrieder admitted to AutoBILD that \"in technical terms, Toyota is better then us. But not just us.\" The results of the Automarxx survey are a blow to Stuttgart-based Mercedes in particular, which comes in at an astonishingly low number 32. Other German manufacturers fared equally badly, with Volkswagen at number 31 and Opel only four places higher. Mi-am luat libertatea de a ingrosa afirmatiile cele mai importante. |
despre ce modele vorbim aici
Noul Astra mi se pare foarte reusit dar scumputz. Am configurat un Astra 2.0 Turbo si full option a revenit 29 000 euro CIP. E adevarat, cu toate gagdeturile posibile in echipament, dar, oricum, mi se pare aberant de scump pt , totusi, o compacta. Acum, daca dotarile sunt identice si preturile identice, intre Astra 2.0 T si Corrola 1.8 TS as alege Astra din motive pur subiective de design si din cauza ca Astra e un model nou aparut pe cand Corrola va fi schimbata in curand. Dar ambele masini sunt bune. |
Soichiro nu sint atat de departe de realitate cum spui tu. Crede-ma ca stiu ca nu compari Kia cu Toyota, si Japonia cu Koreea. Am folosit termenul de \"chinezarii\" doar ca sa generalizez piata auto asiatica.
Si a mai fost o mica rautate din partea mea...deoarece stiu ca cei cu masini japoneze se cam supara cand e folosit termenul asta referitor la masinile lor. Si ca sa nu mai discutam aiurea si sa ii dam omului o parere EU merg pe Astra. Cum am zis mai sus ... e model nou fata de Corolla pentru care deja se pregateste generatia urmatoare. |
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Noul Astra mi se pare foarte reusit dar scumputz. Am configurat un Astra 2.0 Turbo si full option a revenit 29 000 euro CIP.[quote] pai la banii astia iti iei STi nou nout.si nu cred ca mai compari cu astra sau toyota. |
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sti-u nou noutz este peste 50.000 de oiro :wink: |
Daca este sa includem taxele, e cam 45.000 E.
Pacatosu, tocmai, ceea ce ai spus tu este o rautate fara acoperire in realitate si nu am inteles rostul acelor vorbe. Tot nu mi-ai spus ce parere ai de articol. Sau poate ma vrei sa caut niste articole sau statistici dintr-astea care sa te puna pe ganduri. |
ce sa mai zic despre articol...you made your point.
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Noul Astra mi se pare foarte reusit dar scumputz. Am configurat un Astra 2.0 Turbo si full option a revenit 29 000 euro CIP. Quote:
PACATOSU - potzi sa zici \"chinezarii\" cat vrei, nu ma deranjeaza pt ca mie ii palce f mult chinezaria mea si stiu ca am facut o alegere excelenta la acel moment(cand am avut de ales intre chinezarie si deutch, si nu voi ezita sa mai cumpar asa o chinezarie intr-o faza viitoare |
astra.arata mult mai bine si ca proiect e mai noua.la ora actuala are mai multe motorizari
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1. daca vrei masina care la care sa nu ai probleme 15 ani, ia-ti toyota!
2. daca vrei masina care la care sa nu ai probleme 14.5 ani cu un look mai misto, motorizari mai multe, rafinament si care se si revinde mai bine, ia-ti opel astra! |
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va multumesc pt sfaturi! scuze ca nu am raspuns mai repede dar nu am mai avunt net! e vorba de astra gtc de 1.7 tdci 100 cp si de corolla 2.0 de 115 cai!! intre tim am facut si drive test cu masinile si trebuie sa recunosc ca merge mai bine toyota, la astra m-a deranjat suspenia cam rigida, zgomotul motorului care se aude la 2500 de ture cum se aude la corolla la 4000 nu stiu de ce dar asa e plus la astra e un sesizabil lag la schimbarea vitezei, trece cam 1 sec pana intra in functiune turbina! In schimb astra e la design mult peste corolla si la interior si la exterior, e modelul nou si cred ca atunci cand o voi vinde voi pierde mai putini bani decat la corolla. aa mai trebuie sa adaug ca la astra am facut drive testul cu un caravan nu cu gtc \"meu\" la 3 usi si mai mult ca sigur e o diferenta! In principiu m-am decis la astra! Multumesc pt sfaturi :wink:
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am uitat sa va spun preturile astra 15.100 cip si corolla 15.500 cip deci nu e diferenta de pret :D
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Salutare,
Ma bag si eu in seama dintr-un motiv foarte simplu: VAND TOYOTA. Daca vorbiti de cele doua masini (am un Astra) si am condus cam toate modele disponibile de Toyota; EU SPUN SA IEI TOYOTA La capitolul performante este superioara, la capitolul consumuri si costuri service este tot destul de ieftina. De asemenea, daca esti interesat de varinata T-SPort, la motor de 1.8 16v ai la dispozitie 192CP ceea ce nu cred ca ai si la Astra de 1.8. Iar pretul sigur este mai bun decat la o Astra Sport. De asemenea, la capitolul dotari nu prea avem ce discuta, ai cam totul de la varianta standard. Nu ti se da masina cheala si o lista de optionale kilometrica. Poate la prima vedere pretul este buna, dar cand incepi sa pui ceea ce vrei ai cam sarit din schema. Iar Toyota Corolla este cel mai bine vandut automobil al tuturor timpurilor, cu peste 22.000.000 unitati vandute. Iar Toyota este producatorul numarul 1 in lume. Decizia iti apartine dar gandeste-te bine inainte de a lua o decizie. RESPEKT |
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