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View Poll Results: AMG vs M vs RS
AMG 493 30.45%
M 759 46.88%
RS 367 22.67%
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Old 08-04-18, 15:31   #3721
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Old 09-04-18, 20:24   #3722
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Old 13-04-18, 10:45   #3724
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In testul Car & Driver, M5-ul parea mai rapid cu 0.1 s in aproape toate disciplinele, insa de la 0-150 mph, Mercedesul reusise sa surmonteze diferenta, dar si masuratorile se opreau acolo, iar eu m-am intrebat daca nu cumva, clasamentul se schima dupa viteza aia. Insa dupa noile masuratori A.m.s., nu mai am niciun dubiu ca AMG E63S+ este regele, avantajul de 2.2 s la 280 de kmh este enorm, asadar speranta BMW-ului se va pune in competiton pack, una peste alta, AMG-ul face legea in linie dreapta si atunci cand are un handicap de peste 100 de kg, chapeau! Asteptam sa le vedem pe circuit, acolo situatia poate fi in avantajul BMW-ului, desi putini si le vor cumpara pt asta.

P.s. Banuiala mea e ca la Bmw si Audi, calcaiul lui ahile este cutia de viteze.
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Old 15-04-18, 09:46   #3725
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Old 15-04-18, 12:11   #3726
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E63s+ pus pe dyno:

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Old 17-04-18, 12:53   #3727
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Cateva date din testul Sportauto.de cu BMW M5 vs. Cadillac CTS-V vs. Mercedes AMG E63 S vs. Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid. Au dat castigator Bmw-ul, cu cel mai bun timp pe circuit si cea mai buna acceleratie 0-200km/h, pacat ca nu au masurat accelaratia pana la 300 kmh, ca le strica E 63 S-ul combinatia...

1st: BMW M5 (84 points)
Weight: 1904 kg
Tires: Pirelli P Zero
Price (incl relevant options): 128.600€
0-40: 1,2 s
0-100: 3,3 s
0-160: 7,1 s
0-200: 10,9 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 35,0/32,9 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 129,5 m
Slalom: 70,0 kph
Laptime: 1.10,6 min

2nd: Cadillac CTS-V (75 points)
Weight: 1899 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Price (incl relevant options): 98.900€
0-40: 1,5 s
0-100: 4,3 s
0-160: 8,5 s
0-200: 13,2 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,5/34,9 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 146,8 m
Slalom: 69,6 kph
Laptime: 1.12,6 min

3rd: Mercedes-AMG E 63 S (72 points)
Weight: 2040 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Price (incl relevant options): 132.245€
0-40: 1,1 s
0-100: 3,5 s
0-160: 7,3 s
0-200: 11,1 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,3/35,8 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 141,2 m
Slalom: 68,4 kph
Laptime: 1.11,3 min

4th: Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid (69 points)
Weight: 2370 kg
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 N0
Price (incl relevant options): 187.521€
0-40: 1,1 s
0-100: 3,4 s
0-160: 7,5 s
0-200: 11,5 s
Braking 100-0 (c/w): 37,2/35,0 m
Braking 200-0 (w): 138,6 m
Slalom: 67,7 kph
Laptime: 1.11,5 min
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Old 17-04-18, 14:21   #3728
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ce rahat a facut porsche cu panamera, facand-o hybrid si distrugand totul dpdv dynamic.

este clar ca Mercedes declara cu mult mai putini cai putere decat are motorul in realitate, tocmai pentru ca daca ar recunoaste cei peste 700cp, acest E AMG ar parea ridicol de lent raportand cu caii putere.
probabil si M5 are mai multi cp, insa cu siguranta peste 50cp sub AMG.

mi se pare ciudat ca din 4.4 litri, bmw declara 750NM, iar Mercedes din 4 litri declara 850NM, ceea ce consider a fi real din partea Mercedes in ceea ce priveste cuplul insa nu si caii putere.

sincer, as alege negresit M5 daca as avea bani, handlingul fiind net superior(vazut din prisma mea care nu am acces la astfel de masini, ci doar observ niste masuratori pe net) si as putea trai fara probleme cu faptul ca atunci cand AMG ajunge la 300, M5 are doar 295km/h.
plus felul in care franeaza M5...
se va rezolva si micul handicap al accelerarii cu cei 25cp extra cand va aparea competition package pt bmw.

si nu cred ca ZF8 este cu nimic inferior cutiei Mercedes, totul fiind de fapt caii putere declarati. chiar nu poti compensa cu una cu doua, diferenta de 140kgin defavoarea Mercedes.
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Old 18-04-18, 15:27   #3729
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Si eu zic ca ZF8-ul e o cutie f. buna, as spune ca e superioara asteia de pe Mercedes ca mod de operare, in speta 8HP95 care echipeaza modele M si RS, doar ca are limita de cuplu la 900 Nm pt benzina si 1000 Nm pt diesel, in timp ce aia de la Mercedes poate trece de valoarile astea, de aia am spus ca este calcaiul lui ahile, dar nu am mai apucat sa editez, ca expirase timpul.

In alta ordine de idei, M2-ul a primit o varianta Performance, din fericire au inlocuit motorul N55 cu cel de pe pe M3/M4, insa s-a ingrasat si 55 de kg, mai multe detalii aici: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...hotos-and-info

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Un fel de review, dar foarte slabutz, de la Carwow, desi in rest sunt destul de ok.
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