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View Poll Results: CL 65 AMG VS. BMW M6
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CL 65 AMG
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BMW M6
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13-01-05, 08:36
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MERCEDES CL 65 AMG VS. BMW M6
Ce ati alege intre CL 65 AMG si noul M6?
Mie unul imi place la design CL.
MERCEDES CL 65 AMG DETAILS:
Specifications
Year 2003 Origin Not Available
Make Mercedes-Benz Base Price Not Available
Model CL 65 AMG Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Front Longitudinal Drive Wheels RWD
Configuration V12 Curb Weight Not Available
Valvetrain SOHC 3 Valves / Cyl Length Not Available
Displacement 5980 cc / 364.9 cu in Width Not Available
Power 456.4 kw / 612 bhp @ Not Available rpm Height Not Available
Torque 1000 nm / 737.6 ft lbs @ 2000 rpm Wheelbase Not Available
Bore 82.6 mm / 3.25 in Front Track Not Available
Stroke 93 mm / 3.66 in Rear Track Not Available
Redline Not Available Steering Not Available
HP / Liter 102.34 bhp per litre Body / Frame Unit Steel
HP / Curb Weight Not Available Front Brakes Not Available
Gear Type 5-Speed Auto Front Brake Size Not Available
1st Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Brakes Not Available
2nd Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Brake Size Not Available
3rd Gear Ratio Not Available Front Wheels Not Available
4th Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Wheels Not Available
5th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Tires Not Available
6th Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Tires Not Available
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension Not Available
Final Drive Ratio Not Available Rear Suspension Not Available
Performance
Top Speed 250 kph / 155.3 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.4 seconds
0 - ¼ mile Not Available 0 - 100 mph Not Available
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Not Available
BMW M6 DETAILS:
Specifications
Year 2006 Origin Not Available
Make BMW Base Price Not Available
Model M6 Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Front Longitudinal Drive Wheels RWD w/DSC, M Differential Lock
Configuration 90 Degree S65 V10 w/Semi Dry Sump Lubrication Curb Weight 1785 kg / 3935 lbs
Valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable dual-VANOS Length 4871 mm / 191.8 in
Displacement 4999 cc / 305.1 cu in Width 1855 mm / 73.0 in
Power 378.1 kw / 507 bhp @ 7750 rpm Height 1377 mm / 54.2 in
Torque 520 nm / 383.5 ft lbs @ 6100 rpm Wheelbase 2781 mm / 109.5 in
Bore 92 mm / 3.62 in Front Track 1567 mm / 61.7 in
Stroke 75.2 mm / 2.96 in Rear Track 1584 mm / 62.4 in
Redline 8250 Steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
HP / Liter 101.42 bhp per litre Body / Frame Steel, Aluminum, SMC & Thermoplastic Monocoque
HP / Curb Weight 284.03 bhp per weight Front Brakes Vented Discs w/Twin-Piston Floating Calipers, ABS
Gear Type SMGllI 7-Speed Automatic Front Brake Size 348 mm / 13.7 in
1st Gear Ratio 3.985:1 Rear Brakes Vented Discs w/Twin-Piston Floating Calipers, ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 2.652:1 Rear Brake Size 345 mm / 13.6 in
3rd Gear Ratio 1.806:1 Front Wheels F 48.3 x 21.6 cm / 19.0 x 8.5 in
4th Gear Ratio 1.392:1 Rear Wheels R 48.3 x 24.1 cm / 19 x 9.5 in
5th Gear Ratio 1.159:1 Front Tires 255/40 ZR19
6th Gear Ratio 1.000:1 Rear Tires 285/35 ZR19
7th Gear Ratio 0.833:1 Front Suspension MacPherson Struts w/Electronic Adjustable Dampers
Final Drive Ratio 3.62:1 Rear Suspension Rigid Axle w/Electronic Adjustable Dampers
Performance
Top Speed 250 kph / 155.3 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.5 seconds
0 - ¼ mile Not Available 0 - 100 mph Not Available
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy 19 mpg
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13-01-05, 13:36
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 13
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Dupa parerea mea CL este cel mai frumos mercedes sunt fan irait CL asa ca eu as alege CL65, M5 nu are nici o sansa in fata lui CL65 612cp vs 500cp.
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13-01-05, 13:56
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Posts: 13
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Da am vrut sa zic M6, sunt obisnuit cu M5 da oricum nici unul din ele nu are vreo sansa in fata unui CL65. 
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13-01-05, 15:30
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Stage 5
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 12,499
Member of:
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Mercedes-Benz.............................................. ............ BMW M GmbH
Testing Date 5/2000 ............................................. 12/2004
Engine 5493 cccm, 8 Zyl , 24 V ..................... 4999 cccm, 10 Zyl , 40 V
Power 347 PS (255 KW) @ 5500/min ...... 507 PS (373 KW) @ 7750/min
Torque 510 Nm @ 3000/min................................ 520 Nm @ 6100/min
Transmission 1 (5) .................................................. ...... 2 (7)
Weight 1593 Kg .................................................. .........1844 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS .............................................. 3,6 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 5,3 s .................................................. .......... 4,5 s
0 - 200 Km/h 19,8 s .................................................. .......... 13,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 25,5 s................................................. ........ 19,2 s
Top Speed
250 Km/h * el. begrenzt ............................. 269 Km/h * el. begrenzt
100 - 0 Km/h hot 40,2 m , 9,6 m/s ......................... 36,1 m , 10,7 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1 g .................................................. . 1,2 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 119 / 124 Km/h.................. 128 / 136 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.29 min................................... 8.13 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.18,2 min................................. 1.16,5 min
mERCEDES clk 55 AMG si Bmw M5
nu am avut paralele stricta cu 65 amg si nici M6 acum dar tind sa cret da M6 e mai spectaculos si retineti ceva motorul de BMW e aspirat.
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13-01-05, 15:34
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4 Speed Squad Member
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am votat cu M6 din considerente \"subiective si personale\" cu toate ca dupa specificatiile tehnice Mercedesul (mai ales pt cuplul nesimtzit) se pare ca este cel mai performant
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13-01-05, 15:50
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Stage 5
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,351
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"SEBASTIAN\"
Mercedes-Benz.............................................. ............ BMW M GmbH
Testing Date 5/2000 ............................................. 12/2004
Engine 5493 cccm, 8 Zyl , 24 V ..................... 4999 cccm, 10 Zyl , 40 V
Power 347 PS (255 KW) @ 5500/min ...... 507 PS (373 KW) @ 7750/min
Torque 510 Nm @ 3000/min................................ 520 Nm @ 6100/min
Transmission 1 (5) .................................................. ...... 2 (7)
Weight 1593 Kg .................................................. .........1844 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS .............................................. 3,6 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 5,3 s .................................................. .......... 4,5 s
0 - 200 Km/h 19,8 s .................................................. .......... 13,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 25,5 s................................................. ........ 19,2 s
Top Speed
250 Km/h * el. begrenzt ............................. 269 Km/h * el. begrenzt
100 - 0 Km/h hot 40,2 m , 9,6 m/s ......................... 36,1 m , 10,7 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1 g .................................................. . 1,2 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 119 / 124 Km/h.................. 128 / 136 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.29 min................................... 8.13 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.18,2 min................................. 1.16,5 min
mERCEDES clk 55 AMG si Bmw M5
nu am avut paralele stricta cu 65 amg si nici M6 acum dar tind sa cret da M6 e mai spectaculos si retineti ceva motorul de BMW e aspirat.
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cum poti sa compari clk cu noul m5...in primul rand este o diferenta enorma de cp...iar clk concureaza cu m3..si nicidecum cu noul m5!!
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13-01-05, 17:53
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Stage 5
Join Date: Nov 2003
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daca ma intrebi pe care l-as alege iti raspund clar M6...dau un singur motiv ca e pasiunea mea BMW si in prefer in locul oricarui Mercedes, dar la preferat e vb de persoana...daca ma intrebi care e mai bun , depinde din ce punct de vedere, daca e din punct de vedere sportiv, tind sa cred ca M6 este mai bun caci a fost proiectat ca masina sport cu valente de lux...pe cand Mercedesul este masina de lux careia i s-a dat o tenta sportiva si apoi faptul ca unul e BMW si prin traditie e sport iar celalat e Mercedes...apoi, diferenta de 100 de cai la putere si doar de 0,1 sec la acceleratia pana la 100 km/h...e iar un motiv ce ma face sa trec de partea M6,ar putea aparea disputa asupra greutatii care cred ca nu difera cu mai mult de 100 kg,desi conteaza, si a rapoartelor si a pneurilor...dar aici dupa ce vom afala date voi dezbate...
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13-01-05, 22:55
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Stage 5
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 12,499
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"catalin rs4\"
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Originally Posted by \"SEBASTIAN\"
Mercedes-Benz.............................................. ............ BMW M GmbH
Testing Date 5/2000 ............................................. 12/2004
Engine 5493 cccm, 8 Zyl , 24 V ..................... 4999 cccm, 10 Zyl , 40 V
Power 347 PS (255 KW) @ 5500/min ...... 507 PS (373 KW) @ 7750/min
Torque 510 Nm @ 3000/min................................ 520 Nm @ 6100/min
Transmission 1 (5) .................................................. ...... 2 (7)
Weight 1593 Kg .................................................. .........1844 Kg
Weight / BhP 4,6 Kg / PS .............................................. 3,6 Kg/ PS
0 - 100 Km/h 5,3 s .................................................. .......... 4,5 s
0 - 200 Km/h 19,8 s .................................................. .......... 13,8 s
0 - 200-0 Km/h 25,5 s................................................. ........ 19,2 s
Top Speed
250 Km/h * el. begrenzt ............................. 269 Km/h * el. begrenzt
100 - 0 Km/h hot 40,2 m , 9,6 m/s ......................... 36,1 m , 10,7 m/s
Transverse Acceleration 1 g .................................................. . 1,2 g
Slalom Course 36 / 110m 119 / 124 Km/h.................. 128 / 136 Km/h
Round Time Nuerburgring 8.29 min................................... 8.13 min
Round Time Hockenheim 1.18,2 min................................. 1.16,5 min
mERCEDES clk 55 AMG si Bmw M5
nu am avut paralele stricta cu 65 amg si nici M6 acum dar tind sa cret da M6 e mai spectaculos si retineti ceva motorul de BMW e aspirat.
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cum poti sa compari clk cu noul m5...in primul rand este o diferenta enorma de cp...iar clk concureaza cu m3..si nicidecum cu noul m5!! |
am comparat nu pentru a scoatre ceva in evidenta ci pt a expune unele date tehnice.
Sigur sunt clase total diferite nu are relevatie comparatia mea.
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13-01-05, 22:58
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LEGAL RACING
Exceptand o mica zona a demarajului M6 este superior iar din punct de vedere al manevrabilitatii diferenta in favoarea BMW este uluitoare.
Diferenta de o zecime de secunda la 0...100km/h e nerelevanta deoarece masini cu 0...100 in timp egal pot parcurge distante diferite una fiind mai in fata. Nu stiu cum e in situatia de aici dar inclin asa cum am mai spus spre suprematia BMW.
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14-01-05, 14:13
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Comparatie la motor intre cele 2:
PRIMUL ESTE M6-LE IAR 2 ESTE CL-UL 
Engine
Configuration 90 Degree S65 V10 w/Semi Dry Sump Lubrication V12
Valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable dual-VANOS SOHC 3 Valves / Cyl
Displacement 4999 cc / 305.1 cu in 5980 cc / 364.9 cu in
Bore 92 mm / 3.62 in 82.6 mm / 3.25 in
Power 378.1 kw / 507 bhp @ 7750 rpm 456.4 kw / 612 bhp @ Not Available rpm
Stroke 75.2 mm / 2.96 in 93 mm / 3.66 in
Torque 520 nm / 383.5 ft lbs @ 6100 rpm 1000 nm / 737.6 ft lbs @ 2000 rpm
Compression Ratio Not Available Not Available
Bhp / Liter 101.42 bhp per litre 102.34 bhp per litre
Max Engine Speed 8250 Not Available
PEACE
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14-01-05, 14:44
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"Mr.Nice\"
Comparatie la motor intre cele 2:
PRIMUL ESTE M6-LE IAR 2 ESTE CL-UL
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Valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable dual-VANOS SOHC 3 Valves / Cyl
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Din cate stiu eu sistemele bi-Vanos si Valvetronic sunt patentate de BMW.
Nu uitati ca la cifre 0-100 km/h foarte foarte apropiate motorul BMW ale 1000 cc in minus si este aspirat. Ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla cu acest motor daca i-ar fi adaugat un sist turbo
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14-01-05, 14:46
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"D Y C\"
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Originally Posted by \"Mr.Nice\"
Comparatie la motor intre cele 2:
PRIMUL ESTE M6-LE IAR 2 ESTE CL-UL
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Valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable dual-VANOS SOHC 3 Valves / Cyl
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Din cate stiu eu sistemele bi-Vanos si Valvetronic sunt patentate de BMW.
Nu uitati ca la cifre 0-100 km/h foarte foarte apropiate motorul BMW ale 1000 cc in minus si este aspirat. Ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla cu acest motor daca i-ar fi adaugat un sist turbo |
Bomba, e interzis razboiul!
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14-01-05, 19:13
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Re:
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Originally Posted by \"D Y C\"
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Originally Posted by \"Mr.Nice\"
Comparatie la motor intre cele 2:
PRIMUL ESTE M6-LE IAR 2 ESTE CL-UL
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Valvetrain 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable dual-VANOS SOHC 3 Valves / Cyl
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Din cate stiu eu sistemele bi-Vanos si Valvetronic sunt patentate de BMW.
Nu uitati ca la cifre 0-100 km/h foarte foarte apropiate motorul BMW ale 1000 cc in minus si este aspirat. Ganditi-va ce s-ar intampla cu acest motor daca i-ar fi adaugat un sist turbo |
daca daca ..mereu exista..daca...dar dupa 100 in sus ce se intampla??mai vine bmw??
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15-01-05, 02:20
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frate tu ai ceva impotriva bmw-ului e mai mult decat clar...toate posturile tale sunt exclusiv subiective...e chiar asa greu sa nu fii meschin sa nu vrei sa accepti ca dintr-un motor aspirat mercedes n-o sa scoata niciodata mai mult ca bmw? diferenta de 100 de cai prin 2 pistoane in plus si 2 turbine? este jenant....1000kg/f e f tare la 2000 rpm zici ca-i diesel...totul datorita turbinelor...o sa scoata schnitzer kit kompressor pt m6 sa vezi ce-ti joaca leapsa cu cl-u tau amg
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