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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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scuze, n am sesizat poanta, eram "incalzit" de la reply ul ala lung  )
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30-12-13, 06:46
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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sunt sigur ca isi uda pantalonii orice pasionat de masini sa aiba oportunitatea sa impinga un pic masina asta pe pista .. , la naiba, si pe strada e ceva de incercat
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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30-12-13, 21:56
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
Cum se onduleaza imaginea 
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
pentru GT-R fan boys, cititi si bagati la cap, daca aveti curajul sa acceptati si altceva decat va baga cu polonicul masinaria de marketing in care traiti si aveti balls sa ganditi cu propriul creier:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/1...itter-porsche/
paradoxul e ca din motive de lipsa de spectacol si senzational, articole de genul asta nu sunt promovate in mass media, si toti "profesionistii" gen Edmund prefera sa si creasca ratingul fara sa aiba coloana vertebrala.
" What happened next was almost surreal. The impressionable people at Edmunds were invited to witness “production car testing” at the ‘Ring, where touring-car hotshoe/F1 washout Toshio Suzuki proceeded to set some very interesting lap times with a “production” car. These times were duly reported as a “new official record” and picked up by the world in general. Never mind that the lap times of a turbocharged car in factory hands require an entire shaker of salt to be taken seriously; never mind that the car could have been in any state of tune from the dampers up without Edmunds’ being any the wiser; never mind the fact that the car’s performance was very far away from what one might reasonably expect given the stated power and weight. Edmunds reported it anyway, and the “new production car record” flew around the Internet. Mission accomplished. Numbers delivered. Thanks, Edmunds! "
Nissan e suficient de nesimtit sa foloseasca o minciuna sa si promoveze marfa, pentru 2 motive: 1, e foarte greu sa demonstrezi bullshitul, si 2, pentru ca e plina lumea de adolescenti care au vazut prea multe filme si au jucat prea mult GrandTurismo si au creierul spalat deja, si pe deasupra raportul celor care au fost pe pista macar odata in viata fata de cel al expertilor de tastatura e de 1 la un milion probabil.. " Nissan knew that ‘Ring times would be a critical component of their marketing push for the R35 GT-R. Their potential buyers, weaned on Gran Turismo games and generally rather enamored of meaningless driving statistics, would accept no less. Never mind that the average GT-R owner would find himself being lapped by Showroom Stock Chevy Cobalts during a trackday; they’re a numbers crowd, they’re addicted to numbers, they repeat the numbers endlessly on the Internet, they love the numbers. The GT-R would have to develop the numbers. "
Sunt complet ignorate valori palpabile, cifre concrete, gen greutate, putere, aerodinamica, rapoarte putere/greutate. cuplu/greutate, distributie masa (da, motorul frontal e cea mai proasta alegere, pt cei care se rezuma pentru educatie la Top Gear..), raspuns motor, latenta turbo, curba de cuplu, anvelope, rigiditate structurala, temperatura, vreme, trafic, samd, si astea sunt doar chestii de baza, de bun simt, pe care cel care se da cunoscator in masini ar trebui sa le simta instinctiv.
Se arunca cu timpi scosi de Gigi si Dorel de la revista X cand GT-R a scos timpul XX fara sa se intrebe nimeni cum a fost condus testul, cu atatea variabile de la un test la altul. Ca sa nu mai pomenesc de competenta celor care testeaza masinile. Teste consistente se pot numara pe degetele de la o singura mana si alea nu arata bine pentru Nissan (Horst von Saurma anybody? sau "nu se pune" ca zice de rau de GT-R ?)
Societatea de azi e pe pilot automat condus de Marketing si de asta suntem unde suntem, cand oameni in toata firea afirma, fara sa clipeasca, ca un coupe pe sterozi de aproape 1.8 tone curb weight si in jur de 500 CP bate masini de pista mai usoare cu jumate de tona si cu cuplu, putere, aerodinamica si racing suspension setup net superioare.
Din fericire fiecare are masina pe care o merita (scotand banii din ecuatie) asa ca eu sunt fericit.
Daca insa ma calci pe bataturi cu bullshitu tau draga fan boy, atunci o sa ti dau peste nas cu realitatea..e ok, am ceva sa te simti mai bine dupa: http://atheistatlarge.org/articles/u...thurtcream.jpg
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04-01-14, 11:30
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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scuze, n am sesizat poanta, eram "incalzit" de la reply ul ala lung ) |
noi sa fim sanatosi, nu-i panica
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04-01-14, 15:41
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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Originally Posted by 993turbo
pentru GT-R fan boys, cititi si bagati la cap, daca aveti curajul sa acceptati si altceva decat va baga cu polonicul masinaria de marketing in care traiti si aveti balls sa ganditi cu propriul creier:
http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/1...itter-porsche/
paradoxul e ca din motive de lipsa de spectacol si senzational, articole de genul asta nu sunt promovate in mass media, si toti "profesionistii" gen Edmund prefera sa si creasca ratingul fara sa aiba coloana vertebrala.
" What happened next was almost surreal. The impressionable people at Edmunds were invited to witness “production car testing” at the ‘Ring, where touring-car hotshoe/F1 washout Toshio Suzuki proceeded to set some very interesting lap times with a “production” car. These times were duly reported as a “new official record” and picked up by the world in general. Never mind that the lap times of a turbocharged car in factory hands require an entire shaker of salt to be taken seriously; never mind that the car could have been in any state of tune from the dampers up without Edmunds’ being any the wiser; never mind the fact that the car’s performance was very far away from what one might reasonably expect given the stated power and weight. Edmunds reported it anyway, and the “new production car record” flew around the Internet. Mission accomplished. Numbers delivered. Thanks, Edmunds! "
Nissan e suficient de nesimtit sa foloseasca o minciuna sa si promoveze marfa, pentru 2 motive: 1, e foarte greu sa demonstrezi bullshitul, si 2, pentru ca e plina lumea de adolescenti care au vazut prea multe filme si au jucat prea mult GrandTurismo si au creierul spalat deja, si pe deasupra raportul celor care au fost pe pista macar odata in viata fata de cel al expertilor de tastatura e de 1 la un milion probabil.. " Nissan knew that ‘Ring times would be a critical component of their marketing push for the R35 GT-R. Their potential buyers, weaned on Gran Turismo games and generally rather enamored of meaningless driving statistics, would accept no less. Never mind that the average GT-R owner would find himself being lapped by Showroom Stock Chevy Cobalts during a trackday; they’re a numbers crowd, they’re addicted to numbers, they repeat the numbers endlessly on the Internet, they love the numbers. The GT-R would have to develop the numbers. "
Sunt complet ignorate valori palpabile, cifre concrete, gen greutate, putere, aerodinamica, rapoarte putere/greutate. cuplu/greutate, distributie masa (da, motorul frontal e cea mai proasta alegere, pt cei care se rezuma pentru educatie la Top Gear..), raspuns motor, latenta turbo, curba de cuplu, anvelope, rigiditate structurala, temperatura, vreme, trafic, samd, si astea sunt doar chestii de baza, de bun simt, pe care cel care se da cunoscator in masini ar trebui sa le simta instinctiv.
Se arunca cu timpi scosi de Gigi si Dorel de la revista X cand GT-R a scos timpul XX fara sa se intrebe nimeni cum a fost condus testul, cu atatea variabile de la un test la altul. Ca sa nu mai pomenesc de competenta celor care testeaza masinile. Teste consistente se pot numara pe degetele de la o singura mana si alea nu arata bine pentru Nissan (Horst von Saurma anybody? sau "nu se pune" ca zice de rau de GT-R ?)
Societatea de azi e pe pilot automat condus de Marketing si de asta suntem unde suntem, cand oameni in toata firea afirma, fara sa clipeasca, ca un coupe pe sterozi de aproape 1.8 tone curb weight si in jur de 500 CP bate masini de pista mai usoare cu jumate de tona si cu cuplu, putere, aerodinamica si racing suspension setup net superioare.
Din fericire fiecare are masina pe care o merita (scotand banii din ecuatie) asa ca eu sunt fericit.
Daca insa ma calci pe bataturi cu bullshitu tau draga fan boy, atunci o sa ti dau peste nas cu realitatea..e ok, am ceva sa te simti mai bine dupa: http://atheistatlarge.org/articles/u...thurtcream.jpg
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Pai sa o luam pe rand:
Ti-ai gasit fratele, cam singurul articol de gen al unui FAN BOY DECLARAT si detinator vechi de Porsche 911.
1."although you owned a few 911s", "The 911 was the forever car", "yet the garage slot closest to my bedroom always sheltered the Carrera", "I loved and cared for that car perhaps more than anyone or anything else I knew. I did not expect that would change"
http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...th-porsche-911
Si fotografiile lui de profil:
https://plus.google.com/110287573082447471223/photos
2. " for his regular (and sometimes controversial) contributions to The Truth About Cars"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Baruth
3. Cat de penibil este ca redactor!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFcEG...rqi0xM&index=8
in comparatie cu un redactor adevarat:
New Porsche 991 GT3. First Drive. - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFcEG...rqi0xM&index=8
4. Un mancator de cur Nissan GT-R care se leaga de o problema rezolvata de mult:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...transmissions/
5. Care cauta nod in papura, nu stie ce *** sa mai manance si de ce sa se mai lege, redactor adevarat, ce sa-i faci!
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...nincompoopery/
6. Un redactor "adevarat" care are urmatoarele remarci! ))
"The 2011 Mustang V-6 is a damned good car." - )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Probabil cea mai mare petarda, frumoasa ce-i drept.
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"If you have a Land Rover LR4 and an Acura MDX in your garage, and you don’t require a third row of seats, you can send them both to the auction and replace them with this Grand Cherokee. It’s that good."
Bun Grand Cherokee, nemaipomenit ))))
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"If anybody buys this new Focus, it won’t be because it’s a cheap car. Rather, they’ll buy because it’s good. Is it good? Yes. Right now, it’s the best compact car you can buy here, no matter which model you choose."
Cums a spui asa ceva!? ))
7. Si revenind la GT-R vs Porsche:
Nissan GT-R Nismo 7:08.68 Watch Onboard '15 - exista video
Porsche 911 GT2 RS 7:18.00 Onboard N/A '10 - NU exista video
Nissan GT-R 7:19.10 Onboard N/A '13 - NU exista video
Nissan GT-R 7:24.22 Watch Onboard '11 - exista video
Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 Watch Onboard '08 - ecxista video
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 7:27.00 Watch Onboard '11 - exista video
Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.71 Watch Onboard '03 - exista video
Porsche 911 GT2 7:31.00 Onboard N/A '07 - NU exista video
Porsche 911 Turbo S 7:32.00 Onboard N/A '10 - NU exista video
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:33.00 Onboard N/A '10 - NU exista video
Deci majoritari in lipsa de dovezi!?
Trecem la urmatorul punct, pilotii:
Nissan GT-R Nismo 7:08.68 173 '15 599 / 1720 Michael Krumm
Michael Krumm - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Krumm
Porsche 911 GT2 RS 7:18.00 169 '10 620 / 1370 Timo Kluck
Timo Kluck - http://www.speedsport-magazine.com/r...kluck~428.html
Nissan GT-R 7:19.10 169 '12 550 / 1736 Toshio Suzuki
Toshio Suzuki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshio_...(racing_driver)
Porsche 911 GT3 7:25.00 - pilotat de FANTOMAS
Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) 7:26.00 - pilotat de FANTOMAS
Porsche Carrera GT 7:28.00 166 '03 612 / 1380 Walter Rohrl -
renumitul Walter Rohrl - pilot de teste Porsche si http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_R%C3%B6hrl
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Acum sa trecem la restul:
Hockenheim Short, Germany (2604 m) -
Nissan GT-R 1:09.60 135 '12 550 / 1736 Christian Gebhardt - Test drive editor Christian Gebhardt from Sport Auto
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Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m) -
Nissan GT-R 1:36.30 135 '12 550 / 1736 Randy Pobst - o legenda a americanilor - http://www.randypobst.com/index.cfm?template=results si https://www.google.ro/search?q=Randy...w=1745&bih=840
Probabil toti pasionatii auto ii cunosc review-urile
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Bedford Autodrome West Circuit
Nissan GT-R 1:20.10 130 '12 550 / 1736 Tiff Needell - desi nu are nevoie de prezentare - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiff_Needell
Si exemplele pot continua.
Toti astia enumerati mai sus sunt niste papagali cumparati de Nissan, iar idolul tau redactor (fan declarat Porsche) este un impartial corect.
Te inteleg si sincer nmi-e mila de tine. 
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06-01-14, 18:53
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
Deci pana la urma daca imi iau un Nismo ca urmas al Suprei ar fi ok?
Ma gandesc serios la varianta asta.
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07-01-14, 18:04
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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Deci pana la urma daca imi iau un Nismo ca urmas al Suprei ar fi ok?
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Pai depinde ce vrei de la ea!
Daca te intereseaza mai mult performantele de drag, atunci este mai convenabila varianta normala in care sa bagi ceva bani in tuning de motor, cutie, transmisie.
Daca vrei pentru circuit, atunci varianta Nismo este mai potrivita si mai bine pegatita pentru asa ceva.
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07-01-14, 20:33
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
Nici de dragracing nici de circuit, tocmai intre vreau.... pe circuit merg de mai multe ori pe an, la drag poate cu mult noroc de 2 ori....
Vreau ceva intre, care pot folosi si de zi cu zi.....
Personal imi place si noul 991 Turbo, nu sunt fan anumita marca.....
Desi nici GTR nu am vrut sa imi iau de cand a aparut Nismo parca ma atrage mult mai mult....
Momentan astept o confirmare de la o firma cand este cu adevarat livrabil in Germania....daca este in max iulie este OK, daca il primesc numai in septembrie..atunci nu mai vreau...
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
Intre GT-R si Porsche, diferentele de performanta sunt de cele mai multe ori insesizabile...singura vizibila cu ochiul liber, de la o posta, ascunsa in tufisuri, intr-o padure din Congo...este pretul.
Deci mai putin conteaza cifrele in aceasta decizie, si mai mult designul....parerea mea.
Totusi...sa inlocuiesti o Supra de 1000+hp cu ceva german...mi se pare putin tradare asa 
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10-01-14, 07:20
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
si eu am luat tot timpul de "bun" toate performantele lui GT-R.
dar daca ne gandim altfel: 1800 tone, 560cp, 55/45 fata/spate greutatea, nu prea are cum sa iasa la cronometru chiar in halul asta.
o fi avand o super transmisie, directie si un reglaj al suspensiilor nemaintalnit, dar parca la un anume moment incepe sa macane pt ca sunt niste legi ale fizicii care trebuiesc batute. cel putin cele 1800 kg, cu 55% din ele pe puntea fata inseamna cam mult...aproape o tona ce nu trebuie sa duca la subvirare.
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10-01-14, 15:13
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Re: Nissan GT-R 35 vs Restul
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Originally Posted by specialist
si eu am luat tot timpul de "bun" toate performantele lui GT-R.
dar daca ne gandim altfel: 1800 tone, 560cp, 55/45 fata/spate greutatea, nu prea are cum sa iasa la cronometru chiar in halul asta.
o fi avand o super transmisie, directie si un reglaj al suspensiilor nemaintalnit, dar parca la un anume moment incepe sa macane pt ca sunt niste legi ale fizicii care trebuiesc batute. cel putin cele 1800 kg, cu 55% din ele pe puntea fata inseamna cam mult...aproape o tona ce nu trebuie sa duca la subvirare.
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Da, e un timp foarte tare, ramane de vazut!
Dar sa nu uitam ce a facut M3 CSL, fara un raport CP/kg senzational, ce timp bun a scos si ce masini a batut!
E foarte posibil ca si acest GT-R sa aibe semislik-uri, cum avea si CSL-ul.
Pe Porsche era normal sa-l faca de la sistemul 4x4 si distributia cam nasoala a maselor pe punti.
Plus de asta:
Nissan GT-R Nismo - 1670 kg (3674 lbs) + NU 1800 KG
2013 Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) - 1605 kg (3531 lbs) +
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