Honda Civic Type-S vs. VW Scirocco

[3S-FE]

ai civic de 2.2 ? pai, parca aveai 205-u ala din Voltron

pai cum prea mult, ca e pe acolo cu Type-S la performante, daca 140 de cai e prea mult ce sa mai zicem de toti soferii de Typer R-uri, GTI-uri, STi-uri si alte acronime

[al3xxatm]

honda civic clar
masina mea preferata:X dupa mine cea mai buna masina in raportul calitate pret
este o masina la care greu gasesti o defectiune ce sa ceri exterior de vin si in motor sa nu ne bagam pentru simplu fapt ca scrie pe el HONDA
oi fi io prea subiectiv ca imi place dar io honda civic as alege

[The_Mask]

Originally Posted by al3xxatm

honda civic clar
masina mea preferata:X dupa mine cea mai buna masina in raportul calitate pret
este o masina la care greu gasesti o defectiune ce sa ceri exterior de vin si in motor sa nu ne bagam pentru simplu fapt ca scrie pe el HONDA
oi fi io prea subiectiv ca imi place dar io honda civic as alege

Intoarce-te la NFS!

[a3ds]

Turbo vs aspirat si toti aleg aspirat pe care tre' sa il turezi ca pe masina de rasnit cafea ca sa obtii putin cuplu la 7000 de ture....

Spre deosebire, la scirocco ai cuplul maxim de la 1500 pana la 4000 rpm adica ai un benzinar care trage ca un diesel, masinile au cam aceleasi performante dinamice pe hartie dar de condus e mult mai misto un TSI decat un Vtec, nu tre'sa tragi de el in disperare ca sa simti ceva. Vorbesc de oameni care au condus masini, nu de NFS-isti die hard.

Scirocco are suspensii indepedente fata spate, Honda are pe spate punte semi rigida dar hai sa luam Honda ca e misto ce plm, Honda e Honda.

"The first instance of this new Twincharged TSI engine family is a 90-kW (121-hp) 1.4-liter model that delivers a torque corresponding to a 2.3-liter engine, but with 20% less fuel consumption"

-> e din alt film motoru' de la VW care are si turbo si supercharger fata de V-tecul aspirat de la Honda, nu zic ca e prost i-Vtec dar e perimat.

Eu aleg Scirocco fara nici un dubiu(m-as chinui si l-as lua pe ala de 160 de cai,e treaba descurcata cu el) , auzi, potential mare de tuning la motor aspirat stock fata de unul turbo... o dati in sefeuri.

Ca design exterior, scirocco este deja in alta clasa, nici Honda nu e o masina rea dar nu se compara imho.

[DarkJEDI]

eu cred ca tu nu stii ce zici. ambele masini au acelasi tip de suspensie si in fata si in spate. motorul de honda , chiar daca e v-tec nu e de turatie. are tot atatea ture cat scirocco si isi ia cuplu din distributie, regleaza axul cu came (e doar unul) astfel incat foloseste 2,4 sau 4 cu deschidere mai mare. asta inseamna un motor elastic. la ce imi serveste mie cuplu constant pana la 4000 cand poti sa il ai echilibrat pe taota gama de ture. asa isi ia cuplu motoru de honda, care e setat pt consum si mananca chiar mai putin decat ala de 1.4tsi. daca le faci chip il duci pe ala de sciroco pana in 160 cai si ala de honda in 170,180 si nu are turbo.

[a3ds]

Dark jedi, stiu ca e mai greu sa cauti date tehnice decat sa iti folosesti "the dark side of the force" ca argument dar totusi, incearca sa te documentezi inainte sa faci afirmatii puerile, carfolio.com e un punct bun de plecare, ai acolo datele tehnice la jde' mii de masini inclusiv super carurile manufacturate de Honda company.

Also, cand o sa faci tu 30-40 de cai din "cip cirip tunning" la un aspirat de 1.8 sa imi dai si mie fisa dyno sa o pun in rama, sa am la ce sa ma inchin dimineata.

[DarkJEDI]

carfolio tinde sa imi dea dreptate.pt datele alea de chip nu am dovezi,dar o sa caut si le expun. carfolio zicea de amandoua asa: mcpherson fata + antiroll bar. independent double wishbone spate+ antiroll bar. uitete daca nu crezi.


LE: de chip nu am avut dreptate. ambele scot in jur de 155-160

[a3ds]

2005 Honda Civic 1.8 See all Honda models

Suspension front I.MS.CS.ARB.
rear TbAx.CS.

Pana si la noul type r care e FAIL fata de cel vechi au scos suspensia independenta de pe spate, deci si japo au inceput sa faca economie la partea mecanica...

FN2 chassis


FN2 Honda Civic Type R
The European market Civic Type R is offered only as a three door hatch back and uses a different chassis and internal layout (notably tank placement below the driver's seat), which will serve as base for the next European Jazz. The rear suspension formerly a double wishbone set up has been changed to a less complex torsion beam axle.

[DarkJEDI]

eu ma uitasem la specificatiile de la civicurile din 2008. oricum type r european nu e cine stie ce, da ala japonez e deja din alta lume.

[300zxtt]

Originally Posted by a3ds

VW care are si turbo si supercharger fata de V-tecul aspirat de la Honda, nu zic ca e prost i-Vtec dar e perimat.

In ultima vreme, fiabilitatea Vw cam lasa de dorit. Pe cand Honda e cam pe primele locuri.

[dolb]

Originally Posted by 300zxtt

In ultima vreme, fiabilitatea Vw cam lasa de dorit. Pe cand Honda e cam pe primele locuri.

tind sa iti dau dreptate, insa conteaza f mult unde se ruleaza cu masina! intr-adevar..fiabilitatea vw lasa de dorit in RO, insa in DE, HU, etc nu e asa rau

[DarkJEDI]

pai in tari dastea gen lumea a 3a cum e romania se vede care masina e rezistenta, nu in germania unde pun pariu ca si dacia aia veche sta un an fara sa se strice ceva la ea.

[bmwM8]

datele de pe carfolio nu mi se par intocmai f corecte, mi se par destul de convergente fata de alte site-uri cu date despre masini.

[a3ds]

Pentru die hard Honda Type R si rasnite cu 10 000 RPM si puteri litrice, cititi un review facut de australieni(unde e plin de masini japoneze, nu ca la noi ) care mi se pare de bun simt, o desfiinteaza si pe buna dreptate :

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_109041/article.html

Fragmente :

Imagine a world where performance cars are required to use engines of no more than 2 litres. A world where no turbos or superchargers are allowed.But in this world, performance cars don’t have to be 2 litres in capacity – and they don’t have to be naturally aspirated. Look at the overall picture and the Honda is outclassed by so many cars it’s hard to keep count.

If Honda isn’t ashamed of this car’s performance, it bloody well should be.

Basically, the Type R makes a lot of noise and revs to the stars – but it just doesn’t go hard. The Honda claimed 0-100 km/h time is 6.6 seconds. We’d suggest that in the sort of getaway you might perform at a set of traffic lights, the real time is closer to 8 seconds.

And the embarrassment isn’t confined to just traffic light drags. Up a steep, windy and bumpy country road, a Mitsubishi 380 that we’ve driven was able to set faster times than the Type R screaming at 7000 – 8000 rpm.

And if you think it’s unfair to compare the Type R to local sedans, try comparing it with its direct competition – Golf GTi, Mazda 3 MPS, Focus XR5 and so on. There the Honda looks simply ridiculous in the paucity of its performance. At 1345kg it’s in the same weight ballpark as its opposition but has far less power. For example, the Mazda 3 has a flywheel figure of 190kW, well in excess of the Honda’s 148kW. But the vital point to realise is that the peak torque of the Mazda is 97 per cent greater. That’s right, there’s almost twice the torque – and it occurs at 3000 rpm, not the Honda’s 5600 rpm. To put this another way, at 80 km/h in fourth gear in the Honda you have 62kW available at the wheels. In the Mazda you’ve got 115kW available! (See the dyno graph at the end of this story for more.

In fact, the Honda is set up so stiffly that at times the suspension and stability control can felt to be working against the engine, not with it. A smooth, constant radius corner taken faster and faster will cause the inside front wheel to be unloaded, with the stability control then shutting down power. It’s not intrusive in its action – but again you’re simply not going all that quickly.

In normal driving, the Type R is a very stiffly sprung, very highly revving car of average performance.

So how do we summarise the Type R? If you’re one of the tiny number of people who has forty grand to spare and wants to turn off the stability control and then drive really hard on smooth roads in a high revving naturally aspirated car – perhaps with a track day a month thrown in – then the Type R is it. In fact, there isn’t really any competition for that sort of car in this price range.

But if you want a car that handles well, goes strongly, is comfortable and effective, forget the Type R – there’re now just too many cars that do so much more.

[sKyNeT]

man...tu ai avut vre-o taraitura de honda si acum ti s-a pus pata pe ele ? pana la urma fiecare alege ce vrea. poate mie imi place ca motorul meu sa faca ture ca o rasnita si poate altora le place sa simta cuplul de la turatii mici. pana la urma fiecare alege ce vrea, sunt o multime de marci si de modele in ziua de azi....