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Old 22-08-10, 18:11   #31
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Vad ca s-au format 2 tabere,una pro si una contra (care nu crede),decat sa ne contrazicem la nesfarsit (cu toate ca mi-ar place),hai sa asteptam rezultaul si vedem atunci care e treaba,cine "pierde"da o bere la "echipa adversa" .
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Deci dupa ce a facut-o praf a reparat-o si acum arata diferit. E chiar super. Adica daca tot dai juma de milion de iepuroi pe ea, o faci praf si apoi mai bagi iar inca jumate, macar sa ai o masina unica.
500kmh si 850cp
Aici ati devenit toti Gica contra. Nu au zis ca vor sa ajunga la viteza aia cu puterea actuala, ci doar ca vor sa ajunga. Deci e simplu ca buna ziua ca or sa mai umble la motor.
Si dintr-un motor v12 si 6000 cmc cred ca scoti 1000-1200cp.Adica, sunt M3-uri cu motoare 3.2 care scot 1000cp la 2 bari si putin si benzina 96 sau "banalul" M12/13/1 1500 cmc turbo si 1300cp. Ca are fiabilitate redusa nu pot sa contest, dar cand vrei ca o masina sa atinga 500 kmh nu te gandesti la sute de mii de km, ca sigur nu o faci sa te plimbi Duminica pe Magheru.
Comparatia Veyron
Veyronul trebuie sa fie si fiabil. De aceea "doar" 1000, respectiv 1200 cp scosi din motorul lui. Si in plus, la Supersport nu doar cei 200 cp au contribuit la marirea vitezei, ci si noua aerodinamica.
In plus Veyronul este 4x4 asta inseamna 3 diferentiale, mai multe pinioane, mai multe frecari, mai multa greutate, mai putini cai ajunsi la roata. Pe cand Enzo are doar tractiune spate.
Si nu prea poti sa compari 2 tone de Veyron cu 1.3 de Enzo. Adica eu cel putin cand zic 1300 kg ma gandesc la e36 sau un Golf IV cu subwoofer in el...
Cat despre aerodinamica, poate gresesc, dar citisem ceva despre aerodinamica comparativa cu cea de F1 la Enzo, sau era la McLaren, nu mai stiu sigur ...

Per total sa vedem ce o sa iasa.
Ca linie de final, desi cred ca este posibil sa scoata viteza, nu sunt nici de acord cu proiectul si nici impresionat. Adica mai sunt pers care au scos 1000 cp din motoarele lor sau mai stiu eu ce timp pe 400 metri sau top speed. Mai mult m-ar impresiona o masina de care n-ar putea sa se tina nimeni pe circuit. O masina ce ar face Nürburgring in 6 minute, sau mai stiu e ce timp greu de realizat pe vreun circuit.
500 kmh terestru a fost deja realizat, nu de o masina de serie dar totusi nu este primul sau unicul care o face...
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Old 22-08-10, 19:08   #32
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greutatea nu conteaza foarte mult la vitezele alea.Atunci un Koenigsegg ar trebui sa fie cel putin cat un Veyron de rapid pentru ca are 400 kg mai putin(si are coef aerodinamic mai bun..),exact diferenta dintre Enzo si Veyron.Cele mai importante sunt puterea si aerodinamica.SI bineinteles rapoartele cutiei de viteza.Si Enzo si Mclaren F1 au acelasi coeficient aerodinamic de 0.32,la Enzo puterea este mai mare cu 34cp,acesta este mai greu cu 200 kg,dar cu toate astea F1 este mult mai rapid..atingand 391 kmh fara limitator iar Enzo 364 kmh..nu cred ca diferenta de viteza este data de greutate,mai ales ca puterea este mai mica la Mclaren...

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Old 22-08-10, 19:40   #33
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That specific information concerning the rebuild of the MM Enzo includes:
Tom Sorenson of S&S Exotics oversaw the repairs to the damaged carbon fiber tub. The repairs were thoroughly tested to assure OEM strength and stability.

After the completion of carbon repairs, the major reconstruction was performed at Steve Harris Imports , an Authorized Ferrari Dealer in Salt Lake City, the reconstruction required 2 ½ years.
Built to original Factory specs with original Ferrari parts, with the addition of a Twin Turbo set-up by Shane Tecklenburg (telemetry, Garmin, Motec). The MoTeC system controls ignition, fuel delivery and related, and boost is fully controllable by the ECU’s.

Air to air and liquid to air intercoolers, with integral housings, intake and charge air tubes with high performance fuel delivery system designed and fabricated by Kevin Marsh, with welding and assembly by Jason Marsh and Mark Lockhart. Custom exhaust headers to power twin Precision turbos, with waste gates and exhaust pipes engineered and fabricated by Mark Lockhart and Jason Marsh.

All modifications were painted in the Ferrari tradition, wrinkle black, silver and medium grey were used on charge tubes, mounting brackets and ECU boxes. The right side ECU box is a new construction, enlarged to allow for additional wiring from the MoTeC system.

The F-1 transmission was modified with a tall 6th gear to reach speeds required at Bonneville. Pat Weismann of Weismann Transmission designed and created the gear set.

The objective of the build is twofold, first to prepare the car for speed trials on the Bonneville Salt Flats, with the goal of setting records in both the fuel and gas categories of Blown Modified Sports. Second, to return the vehicle to street use after its Bonneville experience. With the exception of the Bonneville wheels and tires and the poly carbonate windshield the vehicle remains street legal. The hood and rear deck in use for race purposes, are the original MM Enzo pieces, and have been carefully repaired. The Glickenhaus panels will be installed when the car is converted back to street use. Extensive heat shielding has been added to protect the carbon tub.

To conform to SCTA rules a chrome-moly roll cage, meeting their specifications was constructed and installed at Lockhart Enterprises (local Salt flat experts). Front bumper modification and modifiable front splitter, are removable, and can be analyzed during test runs via spring data monitored by the MoTeC system. The MoTeC also records g-data and GPS to determine the characteristics of the car during each run.

Team RSL Racing includes:
Richard Losee, owner and driver, Richard is the 1997 SCCA Group 2 National Pro Rally Champion.
Kevin Marsh, project manager, and crew chief. 40 years experience in automotive restoration, fabrication and design.
Lead technician: Randy Felice, 25 years as Authorized Ferrari Technician with Steve Harris Imports, Salt Lake City, Utah
Engine management design, tuning and data acquisition: Shane Tecklenburg (Tuned by Shane T ) MoTeC system expert.
Additional Crew Members:
Jason Marsh, Mark Lockhart, Paul Manukian, Elizabeth Marsh
Specialty Machine work, performed by Steve Stevens of Eagle Machine in Midvale, Utah
Additional Carbon fiber repairs and body and paint work performed by Dale Jolley and Robert Steggell
Main Sponsors: Steve Harris Imports, authorized Ferrari Dealer, Salt Lake City, Utah
Miller Motor Sports Park, Tooele, Utah
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I can safely say that at 31,000+ miles, Richard has more time behind the wheel of an Enzo Ferrari than any person on the planet!!
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Old 22-08-10, 20:50   #34
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greutatea nu conteaza foarte mult la vitezele alea.Atunci un Koenigsegg ar trebui sa fie cel putin cat un Veyron de rapid pentru ca are 400 kg mai putin(si are coef aerodinamic mai bun..),exact diferenta dintre Enzo si Veyron.Cele mai importante sunt puterea si aerodinamica.SI bineinteles rapoartele cutiei de viteza.Si Enzo si Mclaren F1 au acelasi coeficient aerodinamic de 0.32,la Enzo puterea este mai mare cu 34cp,acesta este mai greu cu 200 kg,dar cu toate astea F1 este mult mai rapid..atingand 391 kmh fara limitator iar Enzo 364 kmh..nu cred ca diferenta de viteza este data de greutate,mai ales ca puterea este mai mica la Mclaren...
Cred ca te-ai cam incurcat putin

Enzo - 1365 kg si 651 cp - 0.47cp/kg - Top speed 363 km/h
McLaren - 1140 kg si 627 cp - 0.55cp/kg - Top speed 390km/h
Koenigsegg (CCXR) are vreo 3 puteri in functie de carburant. Topul fiind 1064 cp pe E100.
Dar diferenta este ca Veyron a fost facut special pentru top speed, pe cand CCXR nu sunt sigur.

Cat despre post-ul lui boy_wonder nu mai este nimic de spus ...

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Old 22-08-10, 22:12   #35
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ba da si Koenigseggurile sunt pentru top speed:sa nu uitam ca au RWD nu AWD
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Old 24-08-10, 23:07   #36
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Pai ala ce face?
Merge sau sta ca-i cam încet...... sau mi se pare mie?
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Richard Losee's crashed-then-reborn twin-turbocharged Ferrari Enzo made its first Bonneville Speed Week showing and spun at 188 mph while attempting class-A certification. Nobody was injured, but Losee has to settle for the class-B license — for now. Updated
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According the Jalopnik-reader and Bonneville-attendee Steve, Losee managed a first pass run for a class-B license successfully with a trap speed of 179 mph. During his second run for the all-important class-A license, the car spun out during the 188 mph test and went off-course. Event officials chalked the incident up to the freshman driver's unfamiliarity with the conditions and car. We're just glad that pointy-nosed beast lives to fight another day.

Update: We were contacted by the team's Project Manager, Kevin Marsh, who set the record straight:

We were not attempting to get the "A" category license on the run the car spun. That run was to test some body set-ups we had made after the third run, from data obtained on the three previous passes. The adjustments we made did not work, and the car spun. The cause of the spin is still being reviewed, and we are happy that the safety devices required by the SCTA worked as designed.
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Old 25-08-10, 00:46   #39
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Ala asa vb fix ca si un american cazut din luna cand crede ca, cu 25% putere in plus si o mica modificare aerodinamica va mai pune peste 100kmph la viteza maxima ......asta de parca e un copil care a mers maxim cu ceva de 60Cp cu 100-120kmph si ne avand nici un habar de practica, incepe sa calculeze cat ar prinde el daca mai ar fi avuta inca 20Cp.
Cu ce a modificat la masina, daca inainte stock masina prindea aprox 370kmph acuma sa fie super-happy daca o sa depasasca chiar si cu 2-3kmph bariera de 400 pt ca, pt cea de 500 ii mai trebuie minim DUBLA PUTERE!
Cel mai bun ex este cel cu Veyronul care, pt 255kmph are nevoie doar de 270Cp, iar pt 407kmph are nevoie de inca 730!!!!!!!
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greutatea nu conteaza foarte mult la vitezele alea.Atunci un Koenigsegg ar trebui sa fie cel putin cat un Veyron de rapid pentru ca are 400 kg mai putin(si are coef aerodinamic mai bun..),exact diferenta dintre Enzo si Veyron.Cele mai importante sunt puterea si aerodinamica.SI bineinteles rapoartele cutiei de viteza.Si Enzo si Mclaren F1 au acelasi coeficient aerodinamic de 0.32,la Enzo puterea este mai mare cu 34cp,acesta este mai greu cu 200 kg,dar cu toate astea F1 este mult mai rapid..atingand 391 kmh fara limitator iar Enzo 364 kmh..nu cred ca diferenta de viteza este data de greutate,mai ales ca puterea este mai mica la Mclaren...
Coeficientul ala de aerodinamica il are si seria 7 nou, si totusi cred ca ar merge cu minim 50kmph mai putin cu toti caii aia si nu din cauza greutatii, ci din cauza ca, pt a afla rezistenta aerodinamica, coeficientul respectiv se mai inmulteste si cu suprafata sectiunii frontale maxime(proectia in plan longitudinala a masinii)
Cat despre rapoartele din cutia de viteza, de obicei sunt alese in asa fel incat viteza maxima sa coincida cu turatia de putere maxima in ultima treapta, iar mai nou, in penultima, pt ca ultima e pusa cu un raport de supra-priza atat de mare de nu mai duce motorul, si este pusa asa doar pt ca sa iasa bine la consumul minim(de croaziera), sa respecte niste norme de poluare....
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Old 25-08-10, 11:24   #41
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Asta este valabil pentru C6 Z06 probabil..Zr1 prinde 330 kmh in treapta 6,Mclaren F1 tot in 6..
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Asta este valabil pentru C6 Z06 probabil..Zr1 prinde 330 kmh in treapta 6,Mclaren F1 tot in 6..
Da, si pt Vipera de 500Cp care prinde 306kmph in treapta 5-a, intr-a 6-a la turele de 5-a blana ar prinde teoretic 420kmph, in schimb intr-a 6-a nu trece de 270 tocmai pt ca e supradimensionat raportul....la fel si la masini de duzina gen C si E 220Cdi modelele de dupa 2005 cu cutie cu 6 trepte....
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Old 25-08-10, 19:49   #43
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si totusi am vazut pe net Corvetturi supercharged si Viper twinturbo care fac treaba si in treapta a sasea
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Old 25-08-10, 21:13   #44
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Nu doar ca realizez ce vrei sa spui..am mai spus si ma repet,esti unul dintr putinii oameni care spun perfect tot ceea ce spun,zici fix ce trebuie..
E perfect normal si explicabil, in realitate are fix aceeasi varsta cu tine.
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si totusi am vazut pe net Corvetturi supercharged si Viper twinturbo care fac treaba si in treapta a sasea
Vezi, e inca un lucru bun supra-priza asta supra-dimensionata....
.....totusi iti trebuie gume de minim 295 pe spate ca sa nu patineze cand dai gaz chiar si in a 3-a
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