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Old 17-04-11, 21:54   #1591
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Cosminelu, te-ai trezit cu zapada-n palma?

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choke - 32mm
Putin cam mare pentru 1.4 cu axa standard.
Da' ce nu-ti place?
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Old 18-04-11, 06:20   #1592
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Ce nu-mi place, e ca da in nas daca il accelerez dintr-o data, trebuie sa ma interesez care poate fi problema, sa fie din cauza pompei de spritz ca lucreaza prea mult si trebuie sa-i reduc din cursa? cum zicea Emil sau alta sa fie problema
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Old 18-04-11, 07:13   #1593
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Da jos carburatorul, mentine-l orizontal si actioneaza acceleratia. Daca e pistol cu apa (jeturi de 2 metri si care dureaza juma' de ora), redu cursa. Mult.
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Old 18-04-11, 12:56   #1594
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Eu o consider o incurajare spre a sabla miezul jantelor ... in ideea ca 80 de lei e o nimica toata in comparatie cu investitia facuta in masina asta... nu stiu care dintre noi doi are mai mult off-topic pe forumul asta...
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Old 18-04-11, 13:38   #1595
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Posibil sa nu mearga pompa de spritz, nivel foarte mic in CNC, pompa nu are debit suficient de benzina, aprindere....verifical cum e spus Muttley in prima faza.
Cauta cartea lui Des Hamill-How to build and powertune dell'orto and weber carburatores, acolo gasesti tot ce e de stiut despre orizontale, inclusiv jetari in functie de capacitatea motorului.
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Old 18-04-11, 18:14   #1596
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Calitatea nu e cea mai buna, dar poate ti-e de ajutor...
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Old 18-04-11, 21:12   #1597
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De pe wikipedia:

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Liquid gasoline, being denser than air, is slower than air to react to a force applied to it. When the throttle is rapidly opened, airflow through the carburetor increases immediately, faster than the fuel flow rate can increase. This transient oversupply of air causes a lean mixture, which makes the engine misfire (or "stumble")—an effect opposite what was demanded by opening the throttle. This is remedied by the use of a small piston or diaphragm pump which, when actuated by the throttle linkage, forces a small amount of gasoline through a jet into the carburetor throat.[4] This extra shot of fuel counteracts the transient lean condition on throttle tip-in. Most accelerator pumps are adjustable for volume and/or duration by some means. Eventually the seals around the moving parts of the pump wear such that pump output is reduced; this reduction of the accelerator pump shot causes stumbling under acceleration until the seals on the pump are renewed.

The accelerator pump is also used to prime the engine with fuel prior to a cold start. Excessive priming, like an improperly-adjusted choke, can cause flooding. This is when too much fuel and not enough air are present to support combustion. For this reason, most carburetors are equipped with an unloader mechanism: The accelerator is held at wide open throttle while the engine is cranked, the unloader holds the choke open and admits extra air, and eventually the excess fuel is cleared out and the engine starts.
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Old 18-04-11, 21:55   #1598
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kta, uita-te-n filmul pus de el pe youtube. Vezi cum revine turatia la relanti dupa accelerare. El n-are "lean mixture", el are benzina cu galeata.

popasan, fa ce ti-am zis, da jos carburatorul si vezi cum pisa. Va trebui sa reduci cursa la tija de pe pompa de repriza la minim.
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Old 18-04-11, 23:43   #1599
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popasan, fa ceia ce ti-a zis Muttley.
Si eu sunt de aceeasi parere.
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Old 19-04-11, 08:08   #1600
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Jeturile de benzina la accelerare sunt scurte nici decum lungi, doar carb. a fost dat odata jos si m-am uitat(inainte de toata povestea aceasta), si s-a constatat o probl. la membrana pompei de sprit care era fisurata si benzina mergea jos,apoi problema cu " dat-ul in nas " la accelerare.Se va rezolva si aceasta dar nu 100%, va trebui dusa masina la pers.care se ocupa cu reglatul carb.pana la final, omul are aparatura si cu ureche nu rezolvam totul.Asta suna pt.toti cei ce detin carburatoare si vor ca, carb. sa mearga la parametrii maxim,nici eu nu sunt scutit chiar daca carb.merge bine,mai exista picul acela pt.un rezultat f.bun.
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Old 19-04-11, 13:20   #1601
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Am uitat sa-ti spun ceva azi, si mie pana ieri imi dadea in nas masinuta la accelerare, la plecare de pe loc, orice avans i-as fi dat (de la prea mic, la prea mare), oricum as fi facut. Simptomele se diminuau daca trageam un pic socul. La mine problema a fost cauzata partial de mine, am pus la avansul centrifugal doua arcuri tari (initial e un arc mai tare si unul mai slab), astfel i-am alterat caracteristica de avans. Problema s-a remediat de tot dupa ce am deconectat avansul dinamic (vacuumul), acum merge perfect si impecabil Pe langa reglajul tijei de la membrana eu zic sa gadili si tu delcoul un pic, cu siguranta va functiona mai bine
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Old 19-04-11, 14:17   #1602
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Lada, de unde luasei vacuumul? Daca din galerie, la accelerare aveai o cadere de avans, si se explica simptomatica ta.
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Old 19-04-11, 14:19   #1603
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Sincer nu stiu cine de la noi tin tara poate regla carburile astea la capacitatea lor maxima, sa iti spuna cum trebuie setat, cand ajung acasa il voi ma gadilii putin, ca piulita de pe tija pentru pompa de repriza e stransa de tot, deci lucra la maxim membrana, o voi desface, cu avansu' am tot miscat de delcou si nimic, iar cu avansul vacumatic nu mergea nici mai rau, nici mai bine dupa ce l-am conectat si cand scot furtunul de vacum moare automat motorul, Dany zice ca problema e de la jiglorul cu bila.
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Old 19-04-11, 14:49   #1604
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off- topic: Muttley, imi facea problema asta cu carburatia/aprinderea originala, dupa ce mi-am bagat mana in delcou vorba aia, omul punand mana si stricand invata Si avand in vedere ca prea stimatul coleg popasan nu prea are posibilitate de a lua vacuum din priza de pe carburator care e inexistenta, m-am gandit ca i-ar fi utila povestea cu patania mea. Eu pe orizontale slava domnului am priza de vacuum
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Old 19-04-11, 14:58   #1605
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Sincer nu stiu cine de la noi tin tara poate regla carburile astea la capacitatea lor maxima
Dat fiind faptu' ca e vorba de cel mai simplu carburator de la facerea lumii incoace... oricine are habar despre cum functioneaza.

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piulita de pe tija pentru pompa de repriza e stransa de tot, deci lucra la maxim membrana
Desfa si bujiile, ai sa constati ca-s negre si baltesc. Ca sa te convingi.

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cu avansul vacumatic nu mergea nici mai rau, nici mai bine dupa ce l-am conectat si cand scot furtunul de vacum moare automat motorul
Avansul vacuumatic la cate grade l-ai reglat? Fara stroboscop nu faci nimic.
Cand scoti furtunul de vacuum, astupi gaura?

Amestecul? E optim? Aici e o discutie ceva mai lunga, cum tu nu poti separa influenta fiecarui surub de amestec, si ai 2, din care sug toti 4 cilindri. O nimeresti cat de cat cu ture egale si cu un analizor de gaze.

Si cam ce problema ar avea supapa unisens de la pompa de repriza, in opinia lui danYYY? N-are vopsea portocalie pe ea?
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